I'm so frustrated with my new Fox 2.5s.

Just for schnitz and giggles, there seem to be a lot of knowledgeable people in this thread and since I'm going FOX soon, I might as well ask.

If you're preloading a 13" long 600lb spring down a ton to get 2.5" of lift, swapping to a 14" long 600lb spring would result in the same amount of preload but more space between the coils, meaning more spring travel with the same amount of lift, correct?

 

Correct. I'm on a 14" 600lbs spring with steel bumper, skids, winch and sliders. Sitting at about 1.5" of lift.

 

Problem solved. No more rubbing. I just tested full range. Thank you to everyone that was helpful and positive.

 

Did you get an alignment spec sheet with before/after? I've been curious all day.

Congrats on getting thing worked out. Hope you have many happy miles.

 

No I did not ask them for the spec sheet. I apologize. I’ll email the service advisor now. He basically said they moved the wheels forward just about 1 inch. They also did a full out alignment and adjusted the cantor and toe as well. On the way home it road perfect. I’ll know more this week because I’ll be putting about 1000 miles on it.

 

No worries. It was more of a curiousity than burning need to know.

 

Finally check back in, low and behold Patton didn't even know what an alignment cam was, but knew he wasn't wrong and his truck was unique.

That's also still not maxed out caster, and it's likely going to rub it that truck ever gets wheeled.

 

Glad to see that you’re back adding positive and helpful posts to the thread. I have no idea what you mean by “it that truck ever gets wheeled”. I suspect it’s probably a combination of improper sentence structure followed by a term I’ve not heard before. After all as several of you have pointed out I am hopelessly ignorant of this suspension subject hence the reason I came here with questions. If you mean if the wheel has a full range of motion into the wheel well including full turning I’ve already tested that and there is no more rubbing. The problem is solved thanks to the helpful people here. It’s too bad there were so many smart asses that had to chime in. It will make me think twice before ever seeking help here again.

 

The Victim Card, brought to you by Tools Are Us Incorporated. lol

By the way I promise I do not feel like a victim in the slightest way. It’s just that some of you guys are like watermelon with seeds. You have to get through the crap to achieve the reward. There were lots of helpful people here to which I am very grateful because I would not have got this fixed without them.

 

The people you're calling smart asses, offered insight and suggestion on how to proceed. You decided to instead argue that you knew what you were talking about, and they were the ones who were wrong.

This forum is a wealth of knowledge. Try taking more in instead of putting false information out as though you know it's true.

 

You are incorrect. There are actually three kinds of smart asses here.

1. people that come in and offer no help whatsoever and are only a smart ass. I pretty much blocked all of those guys. I think there was about four of them
2. People that come in and help a little bit and are a complete smart ass. That’s you. I don’t block them. I tolerate them because sometimes they’re helpful.
3. People that come in that are big-time help and work through the whole problem but are still sometimes a smart ass. I work with these guys also and they’ve been helpful. Very helpful.

Then there are people that just help. Sometimes the information is good and sometimes it’s not but they are very positive, nice and helpful. I appreciate these people the most.

At the end of the day some people are just tools. They enjoy being jerks especially on social media because no one can call them out for it in person. They would never act that way with the person standing in front of them so they do it here. I don’t hate these people I actually feel terribly bad for them. Most of them probably don’t accomplish much in their life because negativity and attempting to hurt other people most never accomplishes anything.

Lastly I have no idea what you were talking about when it comes to me putting out false information. I have no idea about any of these things so I didn’t put out any information. I know nothing about suspensions on a Tacoma or any vehicle.

 

Welcome to the internet

 

Truth

 

Flexseal will take care of that..ha!

 

I'm a bit confused... Reading the first post, this thread has nothing to do with wheel rubbing or alignment issues. At what point did you "thread jack" this thread? I can appreciate your frustration with "not helpful" answers... but throughout your journey of discovery, you seemed to act VERY entitled to an answer, especially for not being the OP. I'm glad you got your truck all sorted out and hopefully learned a fair bit about it in the process, but as much as you're calling people out for being "smart asses", I don't think you came out of this looking much better.

 

If you go back many pages I interacted with the OP. I contacted him personally and asked if I could join in the thread because we had some of the same problems and he was very gracious and said yes. It made more sense than starting a whole new thread. Now let’s be honest with one another for a second. Do you really think if I had started a whole new thread that the same smart asses wouldn’t have chimed in to contribute absolutely nothing? I’m fairly confident this happens all over this forum because I have started other threads asking questions and several people came in and did the exact same thing on those threads. Please understand I take no pleasure snapping back at people. I think I did a pretty good job ignoring most of them having personally blocked three or four of them. But correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this forum designed for people to come here and find answers and help each other? Or is it just about posting pictures of your pet and discussing camping trips? I have no problem with those two topics but I needed suspension help and in the beginning I needed wheel and tire help. It’s been like pulling teeth here. I’m a member of many different forums. Gun forums, radar detector forums, watch forums BMW and Mercedes Benz. I have never run into this type of trouble on any other forum all by seeking help. Lastly as I stated before and I think it’s important I say it one more time there have been many very nice and helpful people here. In fact my truck is now running perfect because of the help I got here. My only complaint is why did I have to go through 5 to 8 complete and total unhelpful smart asses to get there? I’m sure the leadership here does not support that. At least I hope they don’t. If they do then they are unique. Thanks for inquiring. Have a great weekend.

 

I think there-in lies your problem. If you expect "helpers" to read through 17 pages of banter and bickering, you might be disappointed. If someone were to come in and read the first post and then see your issue at the end, it's clearly two different topics that require two different conversations. In the future, I do believe you'd get more on point help. For example, when you say I have tire rubbing issues, there's only 4 causes/solutions to dealing with it. Wheel size and offset, tire size, alignment, and cutting. Sounds like you solved your issue through alignment.

I think a lot of the responses you received, was because you wanted a "solution" without putting the effort into understanding what the solution means. As you were told many times, there's no golden bullet to solve any modding issue on these trucks. They're not build with such precision that a universal solutions works for everyone. If you took frame to body measurements on 5 trucks, you'd get 5 different measurements. If you read up and understand how all of the factors work together, or negate each other, you have a better chance of solving the issues you run into when modding a truck.

I know you were a bit bent that local shops couldn't provide a cut and dry answer to why you rubbed, but that's because it's not cut and dry. Sure, if you turned your truck over to a shop for a month and gave them a bottomless pit of money, they'd be more than happy to get everything in working order. However, as it stood, you were paying them to perform specific "fixes" and that's what they attempted to do. Modding is all about little changes at a time. Fix one issue and it leads to another, until all of it reaches an equilibrium and works.

This forum is whatever you want it to be. I'm pretty sure every topic conceivable has been discussed. However, as anyone with more than 50 posts knows, the 3rd gen section is a cesspool of nonsense. That's why many, many, MANY members stick to posting in their local forums, or in the topic specific sections. Next time, I'd recommend you post in the alignment, suspension, or wheels and tires section, to get more on topic responses.

I've only been a part of one other forum (3000gt forum back in the early 2000's) and while it was great, it has nothing on TW. I'd argue that this forum is one of the best forums on the interwebz. The people I've met, the help I've received, and the knowledge I've gained about my truck is INSANE!

Life is full of unhelpful smartasses. It's not just an internet thing. I'm glad you're all sorted and I hope you've actually garnered some knowledge from your experience. Instead of paying a random shop to fix it, you now know the fix. So when your tires start rubbing again, because you've lost alignment from a curb at the mall, you know how to fix it again... I think you got a little snippy with people who were trying to help, but failed to read 17 pages of you arguing about HVAC systems... I'd recommend you cut them some slack.

Having been here for over 3 years now (short timer) I've learned who to go to for specific questions and who to ignore. You'll learn soon enough who's here to stir the pot and who's here to share their knowledge. You'll also learn about people who "think" they know the answers, but spread false information by accident. I'd recommend not blocking too many people on a whim, because you never know when they'll be an expert in a field you need assistance with.

I think the best part of TW is that the leadership is fairly passive. Sure, they keep a tight ship, but they also let the members sort out their own bullshit. If they were really authoritarian, they would have deleted your posts, the second it went off topic from the OP's topic. Again, the 3rd gen section tends to be a bit sloppy, so venture out of that area for a better experience.

Hope you enjoy your truck! Continue learning about it so that some day you can be an expert and help the next guy that has tire rubbing issues.

 

Someone on page 9(!!!) suggested your alignment was bad and then you spent several pages arguing that the only possible fix was 3 inches of lift because your truck is a special one-of-a-kind Tacoma that can't run 33s with less lift than that:

So yeah, if you roll in and insist that just lifting your truck more will fix your problems and ignore the alignment suggestions most people are going to stop trying to help and just make fun of you. Like eight pages later what ended up fixing the rub? Alignment.

Oh no! What ever will we do without you??? Don't go!

 

It's Friday and I need more popcorn.