2022 Tundra Reveal

Correct, just like the current gen.

 

Got it. And I also assume that the VAST majority of buyers will select the CM 5.5 over the DC 6.5.

 

I don't have any sales breakdown on that but I can tell you from my experience that DC are rare as hens teeth, especially at the higher trim levels. I've been considering trading my CM for one.

 

I would venture to guess that the market for the DC is comprised mainly of people who don't have kids or whose kids are grown.

 

Tundra NASCAR Edition....didn't see this coming did ya?

https://youtu.be/R7Jhr6cNsDQ

 

My F150 was just a XLT which is about the same as my SR5 in terms are interior materials.

 

Damn I guess I am getting too old for this shit. I bought the last 2015 Taco, (still running great at 88k miles) and I have a 2018 tundra crewmax. I have no desire to try new things anymore. The styling does nothing for me and the drivetrain does even less. All mine are paid for, so I guess I'll keep my boring old gas guzzlers and let everyone else have at the new exciting stuff LOL

 

Couldn’t agree more. I couldn’t give two shits about nice interiors as long as it goes where I want it to go. I have a lot of friends that spend a lot of money on platinum editions of vehicles and they don’t impress me in the least. Running boards that go up and down when you open the doors are just stupid and one more thing to break. Even more stupid are the Tesla door handles.

 

Lol, I literally love all that stuff. To each their own! But I also enjoy the simplicity of my old car which has even less tech than the Tacoma

 

Same here. To each their own. This is probably the best drivetrain and suspension they ever put on the Tundra. The interior is the best it's ever been style wise. The front end grills are the worst looking part and somewhat cured by an offroad bumper.

 

It is a conflict of interest enough for me, commenting on various Toyota forums, as someone that works for a competitor and sees unfounded, slanted commentary like the above. I really do not come to these kind of forums, to be on the offense, as I am here to discuss Toyota and not randomly bring up other manufacturers (as you have), so I'm gonna give my two cents and end this here.

Your claims regarding sales dropping are somewhat manufactured, being that it is a product of our own issues with chip shortages and having to prioritize some other vehicles over our high volume F-Series, to have a widespread range of products in showrooms and not just pickups. We are oversold on Broncos and need to get them out, even if it means sacrificing some F-Series sales and getting out other models too.

Even Toyota has had to suspend production in ALL other facilities for a brief period, to hoard chips for TMMTX and start building the new Tundra in 5 weeks and new Sequoia in December/January. They've managed as best as possible, but it says a lot how you are willing to use a brief period, as a misrepresentation of somehow GM and Chrysler selling better than we do based on merit? It's plainly disingenuous, as in a regular climate, that wouldn't be the case would it?

Joe Hinrichs ruled over his duties as he saw fit and anyone under him who warned of the possible implications of his bad decisions, hurt for it. He was shown the door ultimately, because he made the call himself in spite of warnings to not ensure certain issues were resolved before CD6 launch in Chicago, on U625 Explorer and U611 Aviator. You cannot blame employees under him for doing what they were told, despite objections to forcing launch too soon.

Jim Hackett who presided over him, entrusted him with too much and allowed so much room for error, by not making sure what was being executed there, was viable in the long term. It is easy to criticize an organization, when one doesn't have the full picture and is reading it from a press piece or anecdotal examples.

Toyota has never been without fault and when they do make mistakes, I have never been the one to jump out and rain down on them with heaps of criticism, as it is not in my nature. I am objective as can be. Whether I am having discussions on a Ford forum, amongst some Toyota detractors or BMW/MB/etc owners who are often quick to question Toyota's presence in the luxury segments and jump on every new Lexus model with unwarranted BS, that reads more partisan than objective criticism.

I am not apologetic about anything, as the Explorer one I will give you that. To the customers in that scenario, that was inexcusable. Ford is basically held hostage by the Chicago plant and its terrible dysfunction. A new factory in a better region, would have avoided those issues. Not to mention, tooling up for two vehicles, on an all-new unibody RWD architecture, in a plant used to building FWD products on the same platform for 15 years is a whole 'nother ball game.

As for the Bronco issues? Nope, not during a pandemic at all and from firsthand information on the related issues, unlike the poor excuse for the Explorer launch, this one I cannot feel the same way about. In a better situation, it simply wouldn't have been like this at all.

I refuse to blame anyone for the mess we have been going through, in a COVID hotspot and having to continually push back many milestones. The issues with the Bronco tops, only crept up AFTER COVID shutdowns and myself and various other white collar staff, being forced to work from home, plus inconsistent production and end-stage development.

If people want to complain, could have easily just decided to delay the U725 program another 9 to 18 months to from January 2021 to October 2021-July 2022 and refused to unveil until 10 months out to Job 1. No one would have seen a peep of this vehicle until at least December 2020, if that happened.

Folks were already getting restless, after it was announced in January 2017. An announcement which only happened, because a presidential candidate goaded the UAW into speaking before their turn on the existence of such a vehicle program effort in October 2016. At worst, things in reality fell behind to 5 months to late June 2021 for first deliveries and we are salvaging the rest, by trying to meet them as soon as possible.

Much of the people complaining are acting like they have never bought/ordered a new vehicle and gotta have it now, in spite of it clearly being trying times for the automotive industry. Ordering vehicles can take time, let alone doing it today via reservation system as a token to buyers getting exactly what they want. No one predicted this, so yeah I am pretty sick of hearing about it, as if these U725s were just sloppily developed and that was not the case at all.

You are looking from the outside in regarding that one and drawing assumptions, which isn't fair in the least.

As for the Mach-E, many Ford dealers are stubborn and I hate often taking my vehicles to them. There are so many mistakes the previous regime made, in an effort to save dollars. Even opting to spend more money on Aviator and less on Explorer interior (to lower the starting price) was one of them. Other than the Explorer issue, you keep disingenuously bringing up situations that are grossly affected by the present, which is during a pandemic or the immediate aftermath.

I am not even going to get into turning this into a Tundra vs F-150 comparison. I don't come to Toyota forums to attack their own products versus another, as that just isn't my MO. I don't stoop to fanatic wars, I leave that for immature fanboys. What I won't do, is swallow opinionated claims which have little to no merit and defined in a slanted manner.

The F-150/F-Series is where it is for a reason, being that GM can never deliver a solid all-rounder and RAM has yet to dominate the field. Toyota if they are truly invested, they can get there, as I personally want them to. They managed to pull it off with the Tacoma, but with the Tundra they haven't quite yet and are happy where they are for some reason. Appealing to the Tacoma customer, who wants something bigger or customer who wants a credible Japanese-engineered half ton.

I find it laughable you wanna refer to sales numbers, due to a manufacturer being crippled by a chip shortage, resulting from poor decision-making which foresaw a recession and thus not as many expected sales to warrant excess chips. Give me a break with that, as I was not born yesterday and can see right through it. Easy to make these claims, when hindsight is 20/20 and you are not in the hot seat(s).

Hate to break it you, but those are two different phases of the same generation. They not different trim levels. A Mk1 (1996) vs Mk2 (1999). A different trim level would be a base 4Runner vs a Limited, not a facelift version, which I disliked when I first saw it in late 1998 and felt they ruined an inoffensive design, to make it slightly more aggressive for the target market.

Since then, every time Toyota does a facelift on a 4Runner generation, they simply make it more aggressive. Was the case in 2005 and 2013. Unlike the 2nd generation, which went softer in appearance for 1992 and even softer when redesigned in 1995-96. Those updates for 1999, were never something I liked, which in 2002 just grew bigger in dimensions. They didn't sell many 5th gens until they butched it up to extreme proportions.

Exactly, gotta love the early 3rd generation 4Runners, as the updated version after 1998 was doing too much in my opinion. I did like the 4th generation though, even if it looked like a catfish in front LOL.

 

I'm pretty sure you uploaded your pics backwards then - sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

Man I remember seeing that huge bumper/lip which I guess was some kind of attempt at a better impact bumper to probably meet a USDM thing, IIRC...

Hated the look!

 

I’ve never been one for lowered trucks, but I’ll bet that would give a chub

 

That light bar definitely looks cheap.

 

and why only on with brights?

 

It has a wider stance due to the negative offset of the stock pro wheels. Sema wheels have the same offset.

 

Yep ... not going to age well AT ALL !!!!

 

Because why would you need a lightbar with lows?

Thats how I have my lights triggered. The trigger to the relay is from my highs.