Trade in Tacoma for an EV Truck?

A good comparison of pollution and environmental impact of ICE and EV!

The Rivian is at the top of my list of EV trucks, but that won't happen for me for at least a few years at the earliest lol.

https://youtu.be/L2IKCdnzl5k

This guy has a ton of other great engineering videos too!

 

Yeh he's got some great vids.

 

A lot of people are gonna be pissed on the facts he states. Skeptics of EV should watch this.

 

I have a deposit down for a Rivian R1T with the 400 mile battery pack, so maybe sometime in the next couple of years I'll have one. Long trips will take a little more planning but just for fun I went on plugshare.com and made a route from CO back to AK and there are charging stations available within a 250 mile range for the entire trip. It obviously takes a little work ahead of time and extra time stopping to charge rather than gas up but it is possible.

 

The charging network is what I love about Tesla. We have traveled all over in our x. Charging a non issue. Car knows where all the stations are, even calculates how long to charge to maximize efficiency during trip.

 

did solar last year.

17k after 5k gov rebate . 7Kw system . makes average 27KW*hrs daily (winter - summer ave).

One think to consider when "how long will solar take to pay itself off" is not just current electric bill use. If you also have an EV that you charge up with the panels then that's gasoline you are not buying so you are saving on your year gasoline bill too by not needing to waste cash on fuel. If you spend 3k a year on fuel then the panels start to pay themselves off quicker vs how much your normal electric bill was.

most people drive 20-50 miles a day so that equates to ~15-30 kW*hrs battery needs, which is enough for most average solar panel systems to charge up daily net.
If you drive 300miles+ daily all while towing a 10,000lb boat up hill then yes yes we F**king get it bro "EV and solar just wont work". Actually I'd still be willing to wait 15min every 100 miles while towing in order to save all that money on diesel fuel , plus no transmission service or aftermarket cooler.

anyways..... have fun buying lockers, 5.29 gears$$$, fumbling around with high/low range, updating your engine and transmission with programs with them retarded "tunes" to get your slow ass ICE truck to move, deal with power loss at elevation, wait at the stealer ship for oil change (or worse yet argue over 0w vs 5w oil), burin oil on steep inclines, install dumb snorkels/filters to not suck in dust or water, not hear nature over obnoxious exhaust sounds, build up death fumes idling in garages, reaching way back in the engine bay to get to the annoying sparkplugs, lube up u-joins or drive shaft vibration, catalytic converter theft, smog checks, waiting for the car to heat up in winter to get heat... that's a lot of cons vs the "cons list" for EVs.

 

I like the dance party part of the video

 

yeah.

the only lame part is that Ridgeline independent rear suspension. I guess we are just going to have to go 4" over LT front & back to get decent travel numbers. Also screw that dumb air ride gimmick. I'm tryin to blast through woops and not blow up that shock.

 

I don't know why buying an EV is only about the environment.

TL;DW (too long; didn't watch)

1 - ICE torque lag - getting peak torque from an ICE takes a lot of time compared to the RIGHT NOW torque of electric
2 - ICE throttle lag - EV's have instant response
3 - ICE transmission lag waiting for the transmission to shift. Manual or automatic makes no difference.
4 - ICE vehicles are noisy
5 - ICE maintenance - engine oil, belts, spark plugs, etc
6 - EV regen braking - saves wear and tear on brakes
7 - EV home charging - start each day with a full tank. No more gas stations
8 - EV remote climate control while parked in garage - pre-condition the car without risk of death
9 - EV climate control while away (dog mode) - keep car comfortable while in the store
10 - Better for the environment

Jason does a much better job explaining his pro's to EV's. I honestly believe him, if EV's were the norm people would bust a gut laughing if someone tried to sell an ICE car.

 

Only the low-information grade skeptics might change.

I like when the camera shows his boots.

 

I think if your getting into EV vehicles it’s all fun until you crash it.

1. Tesla parts are very hard to source if you aren’t at a Tesla Certified shop (can’t take it to any body shop)
2. Tesla certified shops ask ridiculous labor rates and extra processes due to their certifications (total payout on claims are higher)
3. Higher insurance rates due to claim severity with parts on Tesla
4. If you damage the battery tray or battery (most insurance companies will total the vehicle)
5. Parts can take 3-5 months or longer to obtain
6. Batteries degrade (not interested in spending 20k to replace a battery)

 

Dang, you're right! I just called my insurance agent and the Tesla Model Y is going to cost me $63/month for full coverage. /s And, a 2022 Tacoma Off-Road would cost me $79/month. So the ICE Tacoma, costs less than a Tesla Model Y and costs more to insure? BOOM - there goes your argument.

Right to repair absolutely should be a thing, and Tesla isn't alone in this bull shit. But, with our politicians for sale to the highest bidder, things aren't likely to change. I am unwilling to wait until honest politicians are elected to buy most anything. All that said, the only fuck I give about a car in a crash is how well it keeps me from injury. If it gets totaled because the crash was bad enough to hurt the battery and I walk away, all I can say is that was a good car.

Your information is out of date. Batteries degrade that is true, but recent real world data shows they will last the life of the vehicle.

 

If my Taco died, I'd get a Rivian.

I'm not sure what it means to be a "truck guy". This is my 2nd Taco. It's a convenient size vehicle that can seat 4 comfortably while having a "trunk" of sorts I can hose out, go to Costco or HomeDepot, pick up mulch or dirt. It can tow my boat, or other trailers. I can handle any off-the-road situation I'll be in.

I'm going to be the minority here, but also being older and having felt like I've paid my dues and moved up in the career ladder and such. I also wish it were significantly more luxurious, with better tech, power, features, and maybe a bit more room, but definitely don't want a fullsize truck.

The few reviews I've seen have commented the Rivian is as nice and well appointed as a Range Rover, quick as a Ferrari, range like a Tesla, payload capacity of a 3/4 tons, can tow 11,000 pounds (probably only 50 miles ) all in a slightly bigger package than a Tacoma. Sounds appealing.

 

Rivian has no track record with in the automotive industry, bad enough an electric truck is an all new vehicle with an unproven power plant and source of fuel.

 

I agree that the Rivian is very interesting. How they build out their charging infrastructure could make them a rival to the Tesla Cyber truck. I really want to like the Ford Lightning, but it is just too big. The Maverick could be interesting if they do a full EV version. Buying the current hybrid is a full no go for me. That just combines the worst of ICE and EV in one big bundle.

 

Just because your rates are lower doesn't make it lower for the vast majority of people in major metropolitan areas. You could be in middle of no where and have a great EV rate but that doesn't apply to someone living in San Francisco.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. If you are lucky the car will be totaled. But used vehicle values have risen in the past year, they also affect how vehicle repairs are evaluated. So that car that may have been totaled a year ago, may be considered repairable. But due to lack of parts it may take 6months to year to get it the EV vehicle back.

With an update to its warranty earlier this year, Tesla now covers all battery capacity degradation in all its vehicles with a limit of 70% capacity for up to 8 years or 100,000 to 150,000 miles depending on the model.

Tesla considers the life of the vehicle only 8 years. Yeah sounds like it's so comparable to ICE vehicles. I will pass for the time being and wait til the technology and industry catches up.

 

That's a great warranty on the batteries given the batteries average retention is at 90% after 200,000 miles.

 

I'm going EV as soon as a reputable maker makes one that fits my needs. I look forward to less maintenance, better range and better power.

I want one not to save the planet, not to be smug, but I want one because the advantages at some point will out weight the advantages of my Taco.

 

true. can confirm, getting body parts for model 3 was lame for friends car. then again, battery and body parts repair are probably not a daily occurrence vs filling you car up with gasoline or using the transmission/engine every moment you are in the car.

Also true :

"I think buying a smart phone is all fun and games until they rope you into a service plan. 60 bucks a month . also you have to charge it up ever night , unlike a LAN line or nokia brick phone "

"I think using a light bulb is all fun and games until, you pay for electric service to the home and have to replace broken bulbs, or get electrocuted "

" I think using in-door plumbing is all fun and games until, you get that water and sewage bill. Also plumber = very costly repairs "

"I think farming is all fun and games until, you have to wake up at 4:30 AM to till the feild and milk the cow"

"I think using stone tools is all fun a games until, you cut your caveman thumb making it out of sharp and difficult to find special rocks"


No but ya while all those things are certainly true, the pros probably outweighs the alternative hun? I mean... ya?

 

I don't want an electric truck. I would take advantage of any incentives combined with aggressive discounts to change my mind.