Still think TITNC3: Return of the Iceberg was peak

Go drive your truck around for a while and then try to touch any part of the exhaust or put your face right at the end of the tail pipe and tell me the heat doesn't do you as much harm as the CO in the exhaust the same would happen if your car was nuclear powered and you went near the exhaust, maybe it wouldn't be as hot or as much heat but still

 

I emit heat when I fart in a closed car too. But the other passengers don't start complaining about the temperature increase.

Seriously, all else being equal, if all we did was emit more heat, it would just radiate off into to space. The climate would never notice the difference. Allegedly greenhouse gasses prevent that.

 

Nooculur, it's pronounced nooculur.

-- Homer Simpson (waving fingers)


https://youtu.be/Nth4RqqmQZ4

 

Welcome back! What’re your thoughts on the whole DRS and potential NFT dividend?

 

So what about the agenda of the Union of Concerned Scientists? They’ve had an anti-nuke agenda for decades, yet they have finally realized that nuclear power has a place regarding climate change (formally known as global warming until we had a few really cold winters, and it’s fun to blame hurricanes, and too much rain, and the lack of rain, on us humans too).:
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/nuclear-power-global-warming

This concludes the brief interruption of nuclear power and climate change, we now return you to your regular scheduled thread of how to lose money in the stock market.

 

Climate change has always happened and always will happen. With or without a human presence on the planet. The question is are humans a cause. IMO, we don't have enough actual data over a LONG time period to answer that question. We are self-important enough to think we do though. It's kinda like Schrodingers Cat of the enviro movement. lol

 

If we don’t play a role, it doesn’t matter. If we do, we can only find out by doing something about it, and seeing if anything gets better in the next 50 years, or whatever. And maybe come up with something far better than we’ve found so far as a happy accident. GTii super awesome battery anyone? Lol
Or we can just assume we don’t play a part and roll the dice.

 

literal cooling ponds...they dump the hot water into those or the ocean (san onefre, diablo canyon...etc.)

 

Can they build a resort around these cooling ponds, call them hot springs?

 

they could...but not sure you'd have too many takers...

 

Oh, more than you’d think I’m sure

 

till they find the 3-eyed fish...

 

this bout of climate change is without a doubt antropogenic - i.e. human caused.
there's plenty of data that basically says so. the only people that don't believe it are 1) politicians who are full of shit, 2) lobbyists who are being paid to put out a message of skepticism and denial, and 3) the people who listen to 1 + 2.
there was a really telling interview from some climate lobbyist guy back in '09 where he basically laid out the approach to combat any productive measures or conversations about climate change. he said it's a 3 pronged approach - political/legislative, public relations, and science. Back in '09, the skeptics were loud and this lobbyist's take was that they were basically 'winning' on the first two items (politics and PR), but not on the science. I laughed because there's no way you could 'win' against the science. There's an overwhelming body of evidence and it only gets stronger every year the more it gets studied.

irrespective of all that, i don't see 1) humans really doing anything about it cause we love our consumption. 2) the scale of the problem is massive 3) when do we do anything proactively as a civilization? 4) there's too much money, power, and politics at play to do something about it (although the current admin is trying). 5) we're not actually having a meaningful conversation about it.

At this point we're basically on the track and getting off will be difficult...the implications are changes in local climate (i.e. dryer places get drier, cold places get warmer), this will force people to adapt or leave, that means refugees. The people who can lease afford to leave will be the ones impacted the most, wealthy folks are already planning their end of civilization/climate escape hideaways. And we all know how polarizing immigration/migration is

the question becomes how much is it worth or what is the value of doing certain things?
do we divert X amount of dollars to the problem for some perceived and real gains that are hard to measure?
do we do carbon tax? do we invest in clean energy? do we try to limit fossil fuels? do we build infrastructure to accommodate changes in sea level/temps?
how much is enough? how much is too much? there's plenty of problems to fix, what gets fixed first?
it's not gonna be cheap and its not gonna be easy and it's not gonna happen quickly...so we're all just left shrugging our shoulders, or doing little things

i can go into details on the actual climate change bit (i.e. how we know, what we know, what it means, etc), but i'm pretty sure most folks here don't really care or want to know...and the above is long enough...

 

That’s a good question Nick. A thermal cycle power plant does cause localized heating, for some plants heated water is discharged into the lakes or the ocean, other plants have cooling towers where the water vapor is discharged into the air. Compared to the heat of the earths core and solar radiation it’s not much added overall. The hundreds of thousands of acres burned in fires out west also contribute not only heat but air pollution. Your AC pumps heat into the environment as do many other things we do. Yet scientists say the cause of the earths temperature rise is due to carbon and other emissions.

 

I’m all for reducing carbon emissions. I’ve also read enough on the subject to have questions as do some scientists. Natural variability plays a part and I suspect humans do as well. Environmental friendly California allowing hundreds of thousands (millions?) of acres to burn and pollute the atmosphere partly due to totally inept preventive measures while pointing fingers at a freon can is laughable. And shutting down nukes and replacing with natural gas plant which significantly increased emissions in California proves some climate change initiatives are unfortunately more political and emotional than actual science.
Someone needs to explain the avg temp time chart showing the earths temperature increasing, then flat and actually slightly decreasing from 1940 to a little before 1980 even with high growth in humans and their activities before I drink the whole pitcher of coolaid lol. Right now I’m just taking a few sips. The only explanations I’ve read are mere conjecture. Scientific theories should be tested and proven.
https://www.climate.gov/news-featur...s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade

 

They do it all the time. Glen Rose TX. A lot of the TVA is cooling pond. Did some winter kayaking in a Virginia cooling pond.

 

As though that kind of behavior is exclusive to the "deniers" - take, for example, the 2009 climategate emails wherein "scientists" were discussing how to hide from the public the fact that at that point the climate had stopped warming. NASA eventually solved that problem by retroactively lowering the temperature of the 1990's, thus re-establishing a consistent warming trend.

There are more kinds of people who doubt the climate agenda than the two types that you try to pigeonhole them into. Myself being one of them, who doubts it simply by observing that the behavior of those who are shouting "crisis!" doesn't reflect the behavior of people who really believe that there is a crisis...and several other reasons, but we

 

ahhhhh, a nice steamy hot radiation bath after a long day

 

It’ll cure what ails ya.

 

meh, i think my point still stands. We can scrub carbon emissions from the atmosphere, we'll have to. We already do basically the same with water; water would be unusable everywhere if we didn't have water treatment facilities and tons of other ways of dealing with impure water. There's even possibilities to make money off that so i see it happening swiftly. Doesn't change the fact that nearly everything we do gives off heat and less population and consumption are the only things to stop that and it doesn't seem like that's even possible on a large scale. Bolded your own statement here cause i don't think you realize how much you're ignoring it yourself despite what you say. It's not just powerplants that have a byproduct of heat, it's everything we do. The powerplants are just the first step of it