4th Gen. Tacomas (2024+) Spy Shots

This is it right here, you got it. It's a Tacoma mule using the new frame, which I suspected they would build this year, but put it out for public testing NOW? Testing does need to happen, but stuff like this is a marketing stunt based on the other spy shots I am seeing now.

Toyota wanted people in public to see this, because although it isn't the real McCoy, this is a mechanical prototype not yet wearing the production tophat.

It tells skeptics and their competition, Toyota has an all new Tacoma coming. Very deliberate, compared to what I thought. They usually like their privacy in terms of acknowledge of future product and don't do this, if there's a will and a way to test it secretly.

As for the bold italicized section, this is what I have been trying to explain with the 2022MY. It's a quarter life update, meaning swan song improvements on the last lifecycle leg.

Anything they haven't done for 2022, will not happen in most cases for 2023, it terms of visual updates. For the swansong year, that's pretty much a crap shoot in terms of colors, but probably no new wheels or tails, when 2023s get into dealers in October 2022 (as of October 11, 2021). 2023 will be a long MY though, ending in early 2024 with unsold 2023s.

MY 2020 was internally earmarked as the refresh year back in 2014, when they scheduled 4G for 2023. I distinctly learned all of this back in 2016 and knew of the incoming lifecycle steps for 2018 and 2020. TNGA-F became 1 year behind shortly after refresh reveal, it became 2024.

Exactly. I recall Toyota had committed to all of this back in 2010, to be through 2025: Do a Major-Minor redesign of the Tacoma in mid-2010s on skeleton budget, prepare development of TNGA-F products and technologies in the interim.

This generation was always meant to run 6-8 years as of Start of 989A Program Development in late 2011 (3G Tacoma). As 989A development came to a close in 2014, a 7 year lifecycle was agreed on, to run through mid-2022. Ultimately they added another year to it in 2019: Q3 2023 EOP. Now it's Q4 2023 End of Production.

Bingo, that is exactly what this is. A cobbled together mule, using a shortened Tundra. Toyota hasn't done this in such a long time, so I wasn't entirely sure what I was seeing.

They've got the final 4G Tacoma design locked down for quite some time now, but not long enough to drive integrated testers of it around in vinyl sheathing, as they need time to procure prototype parts and hand-assemble them. You won't see that until sometime next year I imagine, in terms of wearing the final shape.

They've done some clever trickery, different than what they usually do for testers. Using an upcoming redesign's body panels over another, more distant future product, via shared components.

This takes me back to 2012, with the first Lexus compact crossover mule being mistaken as the future RAV4 during early testing, since both were testing in camouflage at the same time. (see below)

Definitely a mule and what better candidate to test early, than a shortened new Tundra? They've done this before, in using an upcoming redesign's body panels as the mule for a future vehicle's testing, that's over 2 years out...

I had argued with a bunch of rather difficult Lexus owners over that chart, who dismissed it as irrelevant today and turned it into another tiring BEV argument, neglecting the fact Toyota has no choice but to follow it, for the majority of their ICE vehicles on TNGA-F. This claim of yours still seems accurate, although that Lexus GX550 is suspect.

Looking at sales numbers of the current vehicle, I wonder where this phenomenon comes from? Why do people buy them, despite so many critics? And no, I am not asking this question for benchmarking purposes .

Those GM pickups they put a lot into them mechanically and feature wise, but then when you sit inside of them...

I think these are just for testing purposes, the final prod. mirrors are designed I imagine, but not yet built by the supplier for testing use.

Probably wearing a near-flesh colored mask? They mandate wearing of masks while testing for most prototyping right now.

Oh, not again...

I am glad for everyone here when I see posts like this, because...

Yeah they removed that 5MT in the first quarter life-update for 2018, IIRC. Seems silly to not offer a powerless I4 truck with a manual, but oh well. I feel like it wasn't supposed to be offered at all in the first place? 2022MY was supposed to be one of those quarter life updates, which thankfully retained 6MT for now.

When Toyota updated the 3G 4Runner N180 a second time in 2000 (MY2001), they dropped 5MT, in knowing the specifications of the '03 4G N210 in 2000 and no inclusion of manual.

I am not sure about that, as I stood by that belief until mid-2021, when I got corrected about some setbacks in early 2021. I see on my own end a Job 1 date of January 2024 at TMMGT Mexico. It won't be launching in 2022, but apparently March 2024 via Mexico. Late 2023 is a question I still have?

At best, hope for the possibility production will start up in Japan during Q3 2023 and then Mexico in January 2024. The former isn't confirmed, but the latter is for me and I can see it readily. I rarely have access to Japanese plant info.

I like the rendering, hate the regurgitated reporting. They are just copying from here or someone who did already. I can't believe them. No offense to you BTW, as it's just sharing the news and the good rendering.

Same here, as I am not sure what stupid C&D is on. 2023MY isn't accurate anymore, especially the past 2 years. I hate when American automotive media do not take advantage of building a closer relationship with any industry contacts for Japanese brands and then instead report nonsensical hearsay like this.

They're always more excited about the next AMG or Jeep, than anything else to pay any real investigative attention. They saw these spy shots and ran to post that, because they assume it is 1 year away. Little do they know, a mule doesn't equal it being an arrival for next year.

C&D will look foolish when Toyota reveals another special edition of the current truck in 6 or so months, with no redesign. LOL

ahoy the frustration isn't directed at you, but my sharing the same sentiments about a 2023 model. As in: All-New 2023 Tacoma? I don't know her.

Yes, but very tastefully done. I welcome visual speculation like this, as it drives interest in the upcoming product. It is very well done, unlike the terrible Tundra renderings passed around prior to late 2020 when it got leaked. And even after that, they all sucked at doing a credible Tundra rendering. This is better than the others I have seen. I wanna ask my guy at CALTY and see what he says.

I disagree with this LOL, because how early? Over a 10 year period, people speculated on a Tundra redesign, in not knowing anything. In terms of the actual redesign on deck, well the vast majority early on were nothing.




January 2020 Motor1 Rendering


April 2020 Rendering - Josh Byrnes

October 2020 by Kolesa of Russia



Save for the 3rd one, nothing was credible at all, until the end of 2020, when this little video came out.

https://streamable.com/zjw216



Even so, idiots from Motor1 posted this lazy BS anyway.





No one got it right, until literally 2021 and at that point, it's no longer early. With the next Tacoma, no one should trust anything without internal hints, as most people are not good at predicting Toyota design in general.

Only JDM-connected models, have a chance of being rendered accurately. Anything for N. Amer., is basically no man's land for artists making predictions, without any inside hints.

I say this, because with vehicles sold in JDM, there is a strong chance Toyota will tease the actual design to select participants in an embargoed high security setting, who are expected to later create renderings from memory that are highly accurate.

August 2004 Rendering of 2007 Lexus LS 460








November 2015 Rendering of 2018 Toyota Camry



Summer 2019 Rendering of 2022 Land Cruiser 300



See how dead accurate they were to the below, production examples and compare the dates of reveal to the renderings. Someone was able to predict, from either memory of a showcase or insider leaks.

Actual Vehicle - Revealed January 2006



Actual Vehicle - Revealed January 2017




Actual Vehicle - Revealed June 2021



95% of renderings for USDM Toyotas fail this test horribly, because as long as it's not sold in Japan, you won't see good early renderings on that level of accuracy, because Toyota ain't sharing that info.

Good renderings or drip feed leaks, are also a partial reason why they drag their feet on reveals, if they feel the curious followers have already been "shown" the vehicle, via artists or informative enough leaks. Sadly, Toyota doesn't trust foreign media and do not showcase their future vehicles outside of Japan. They are more secretive about TMS USA projects, like pickups. Only dealer shows or regional reps, get to see new product early. No outsiders.

The Tacoma could easily have less HP, more torque unfortunately. It probably won't be the same exact application, as is the case with the 2GR-FKS used for Lexus and Toyota unibodies, which the Tacoma ironically debuted first when it launched on September 10, 2015. The first Lexus models with this engine went on sale in November 2015 IIRC, so Tacoma was actually first interestingly enough, but maybe not this time.

I would hope, but the writing is on the wall. Take rate is 5%, thanks to limiting it to pricier TRD and removing TRD OR AC 6MT. Torque rating for the current transmission will not even agree with any turbo engine (possibly), so it is likely they will not develop another new manual application, unless for the Hilux and can be shared with Tacoma.

Haha, whatever. I actually know what I am talking about, do you? I mapped out the first 4 years of this generation down to a tee (5-6 years ago) and put out a great deal past that. As I said before, nothing more than irks me, when people who haven't bothered to look into anything on a given subject, chime in and comment with disinformation. Do the research and then get back to us, instead of providing empty guesses based on irrelevant context, which I have since debunked.

People who worked on the current, already said it was not meant to run past 8 years in any capacity. Either you accept that or find out that hard way, when I am right once again and so is everyone else. The idea here is to inform, not misinform.

I also don't think you are being very observant or are trying to miss the obvious for lols. Every corporation has a unique pattern of disguising and camouflaging their vehicles. While Jalopnik are idiots (for calling this a refresh), their reader who provided the photo surely isn't and neither am I.

This is a Toyota prototype mule vehicle, down to how the camo pattern is designed and method of sheathing. I know my prototypes inside-out, where I never mistake the brand for another and more importantly, everyone else has correctly identified it.

If you have not been bothering to follow developments on the next Tacoma, don't come in at the 11th hour, to try and cast doubt on everyone else who actually has been for years. Short of delays, I have been damn accurate regarding this truck and many others, outside of Toyota.

I brought TNGA-F discussion into focus 5 years ago, in a small subset. No media reported on it until 2019. That's how focused I am, because Toyota barely went official with that in May 2021 with the 2022 Land Cruiser. I also leaked the Tundra launch date of December 2021 in late 2019, when it got delayed another year.

I do not like commenting on what I am ignorant of, but of course no one is perfect. I saw that no one media wise was getting this Tacoma info out there and no one here took it seriously 3+ years ago (wasn't known yet), so I signed up in Jan 2019 and provided what I knew, to get this 11 year run BS out of the heads of people, who are merely going off of past examples and nothing else. Product planning decisions and focus change.

Let's all stay on course with this, instead of resorting to conspiracies and off course conjecture.

Unlike you, I have seen actual documentation with the model program code 920B - 2024 Tacoma and associated timelines for it, spoken to various people who have a connection to it, and accessed databases giving me a solid idea. If I hadn't seen such intel, I wouldn't have had any reason to log in here the last 18 months.

Either get on the same page or take a hike if you're waiting for 4 years to go. I don't believe you get to openly question my credibility, when I have put effort into it in my free time as a working professional, who does not like misleading people.

If not for sensitivity purposes, I would easily post 5-6 visuals, debunking your claim. Anyone who wants that level of confirmation anyway has to contact me privately.

I have a very strong idea, when the Gladiator will be updated. For MY 2023, the Wrangler gets its mid-cycle refresh and they are just about starting work on the next generation for 2028. Gladiator should be MY 2025, as it will be in production for another 7 years.

Ridgeline? They've already designed the next gen as of last year, which enters production in 18 months as a 2024 MY. Usually Honda hides their prototype vehicles, but they are being tested right now, although privately I figure.

True, as these are mechanical mules, very cleverly done by Toyota to make people second guess what they're seeing and think new Tundra instead. The integrated 920B prototypes, testing the whole new unit are not yet ready, as the new design probably just underwent final design freeze a few months ago. It takes several months after design freeze, to have a solid prototype built with production styling.

Seeing a lot of other TNGA redesigns like the 2020 Highlander and Corolla sedan, 2018 Camry, 2019 Avalon, Toyota is liking pseudo-evolutionary approaches versus revolution, which this rendering comes very close to. The Tundra and Sequoia seem to be the exception though, because their styling language heavily borrows from the Tacoma, which has evolved itself for Gen 4 (it is finished, waiting in the wings).

Thank you, because that was something I knew since 2016, when I first saw a chart stating current gen ended production on June 30, 2022. At that point, I suggested a quarter life update in late 2017 for 2018 with a new grille and tech improvements. I didn't post here then, but per another site.

I got it right and indeed a lightly updated truck came for MY 2018. I expected the big mid-cycle update to arrive by Fall 2019, MY 2020. I was correct. Then add 3 years, redesigned truck for MY 2023 and coming full circle. Toyota as we know changed it, to make room.

No thanks to the pandemic and TNGA-F woes in 2018-19, my 2016 expectation shifted by 1.5 years, incrementally. I don't see how anyone can call BS on that, unless simply trying to troll. 2026 is not it. Thanks for this post again.

Thank you for providing your own two cents, as unfortunately you can see what it's like, when some people are quick to cast doubt on earnest information being put forward. I get tired of it, but I also remember not everyone receives it that way thankfully.

This is shockingly the exact information I came across VERY recently and I didn't want to post here, because the nature of it seemed a bit sensitive. I saw December 2023 Job 1, which very much equals a February 2024 launch. I can't see them managing mid-late January 2024 in dealers, so I say February.

And to think I was about to write this off in late September as a false projection, as I keep seeing a lot of dates for Toyota model programs through 2026. The next Camry (380D) is coming much later than expected to, with current car ending at 6 1/2 years instead of 5 years.

Anyway, I now believe this is a mule and a very cleverly done one at that. Toyota has done this to my knowledge before. Using another soon to be launched model's skin, to test another future product coming much later.

Since Toyota hadn't revealed the 2013 RAV4 back in mid-2012 and were still running covered up prototypes (released it in Jan 2013), Toyota cleverly created some mules out of the yet-to-be-revealed 2013 RAV4 for the 2015 Lexus NX, which to the naked eye were hard to differentiate.


When one studied the luxury CUV benchmarks around the vehicle, you quickly realized it wasn't a RAV4 being tested. It was a definitely a Lexus mule, because it was much more cut up and ill-fitting than the regular RAV4 test vehicles which had much more flush body panels under the black sheathing.



Back then, I had argued with a few over it and in the end, turned out to be very right about it.

Toyota has opted to similarly use components that match the new Tundra (780B), to test the 920B Tacoma. I had mentioned that Toyota would start testing Tacoma prototype vehicles this year, but I didn't think this publicly and instead strictly confined company grounds.



Since the final body design was being tinkered on 1 year ago and wouldn't be finalized until end of 2020 or early 2021 per a guy at CALTY, I expected some additional months to achieve design freeze and then have 920B ready to go for mechanical mules, by late 2021. I can't believe how close that turned out, because I expected these to be withheld from any publicity, even if they are mules and not yet verification prototypes as I call them.

Give it a rest.

Still shocked how I came across this a few weeks ago for 920B and I did second guess it, because I heard otherwise before that, in the 3rd quarter of 2023. I actually have visual evidence, that I withheld and did NOT post it here concerning this exact date for both Guanajuato and Tijuana plant. At TMMGT, another vehicle is listed for January 2024 Job 1 and I am certain that is the next 4Runner.

I am just not sure if Tahara is still building that vehicle, but I am dead certain it is at TMMGT.

For the past 21 months, I have been very confident of the Tacoma being a 2024 model. Now it's 2024 1/2 essentially.

I could give many examples of what you are talking about, because this happens for 2 reasons.

• The given vehicle program or sub-model, isn't yet ready in that particular sheetmetal, for testing purposes.
• Management decision made, not to give any idea of what the vehicle is, whether covered or lightly covered. Why? Marketing related.

There's a set pattern, as those Mustangs were what we call M1s. BMW still/use to call them KEXs and usually wear the old bodystyle, with ill-fitment over the new vehicle. Those Fox body test vehicles for any SN95s, were what got run around during 1991-early 1992, because that generation of Mustang design was approved on October 18, 1990 and design frozen during early 1991.

The first Verification Prototype bodies for SN95, had to been built during late 1991 and started appearing in spy shots mostly during 1992. Market launch was December 9, 1993. I have some archived photos somewhere, but oh well. Didn't know as late as 1994-95, Fox body based mules were still being utilized for testing the Modular 4.6L.

This will be the case with the Tacoma. These mules running about, then the real thing later on next year. I will say I am very shocked at how transparent Toyota is being with this, even with the mules. This is purely a marketing decision, as typically they would avoid testing anything publicly.

Management have opted to hide the next generation Mustang prototype vehicles until 1 year out for Job 1, but they have been testing for quite a bit on proving grounds. Spy shots are not as genuine as you'd think. It's akin to celeb's managers calling the paparazzi and giving em hints. If no hints are given, no one really knows what your plans are.

These photos in August 2014 were odd timing, being that production of 3G began in July/Aug 2015 and typically at 1 year out point, you rely on the real deal for final testing purposes.

I heard that minimal effort was required for the 2016 Tacoma, compared to the 2005 model, which allowed for much less time in development. The brief stint I had at Toyota, moderately predated start of development for the 989A program in late 2011. I had minor involvement on the 2012MY refresh as an intern.

In 2001, they already knew what was the final Gen 2 design down to details, some 3 years out. For the 2016 truck, they made that commitment toward the end of 2013, which was under 2 years ahead of Job 1.

For this new truck, I recall they were at that point about by the end of last year per CALTY, so almost 3 years out again. The reason I mention this, is committing to all of that early enough, will allow for core engineering to proceed and of course, these mules.

These mules are testing now, because within the last few months, the Tacoma must have completed the design freeze, but as usual, the final sheetmetal won't be ready to go yet.

Great thinking, we call these vehicles M1s, which are mechanical prototypes that do not use production sheetmetal and use off the shelf components, to test the new internals. X0s and X1s are another type of early prototype, which test individual bits or experimental methods. Unlike M1s, they do not have the production dimensions or internals.

We first tested the Bronco in 2017-2018 in Ford Everest (U375) bodies as X0s/X1s, until the first M1s were built at the end of 2018, shortly after final design freeze. They first were photographed in February 2019, in chopped Ranger bodies.



Entering 2019, the further we got away from Bronco U725 final design freeze, the first VP vehicles were built for testing and now wore the "tophat" or final body design. (July 2018 was final approval of the production body design and by November 2018, the design freeze was done). Instead of being put on public test rounds wearing thick camouflage, corporate restricted them from public testing during the day and to proving grounds only. That was lifted in January 2020.



With the Tacoma, I see what Toyota is doing here. It reminds me of testing for the 2005 Tacoma, when the first mules were seen in early 2003, with 4G 4Runner fascias and 1G Tundra beds during winter testing.

Well, considering the people I meet everyday, I guess that isn't impossible. Very likely indeed, 5'5 test driver, sitting in a slightly larger than current vehicle. A lot of STEM folks are likely to be short in many respects, I've learned. Not all of course, but when brains count a lot more, you get all kinds of people size wise.

 

That bulky front end....

 

You're welcome, and thank you, as always. I did forget about marketing and hype building as a reason for early cladded vehicles as well so thank you for adding that.

 

Well said. Thank you as always from "some guy on TW"

 

Thank you for helping so much, for spreading the good word. When I signed up here, I did not own a Tacoma and never had owned one, outside of my international 1996 Hilux. I had deliberately waited to sign up, when Toyota went official with the 2020 MY refresh, to address the next chapter and get 4G discussion started.

To a lot of people it might not have made sense to redesign it in less than 10 years, but the way Toyota cynically looks at the 3G internally, it was in reality a good placeholder to get the Tundra up to speed and align all trucks with TNGA-F.

It's been a very long journey since my days of grade school, where I've been trying to better understand prototyping methods between different OEMs. I have finally deduced across the board, stuff like spy shots is 80% marketing driven in the 21st century.

If they don't want you to see it, then pretty much you won't. Those 3G mules in 2G bodies in Aug 2014 mentioned as an example by @TacoBuffet, was Toyota playing for the press. Seeing as they finished styling the 3G in 2013, then already had 3G prototype bodies built internally by summer 2014 and needed good field testing mileage on them, before final 989A program engineering sign off.

I have admittedly made a huge blunder in years past, assuming that prototype testing starts the minute you see spy shots. This isn't always the case, a lesson I have now learned.

They have several new 2023 Lexus models coming, yet no sight of them anywhere. Ditto for 2023 Sequoia, until an amateur caught it on camera 2 weeks ago in Plano. No other spy shots, because Toyota is not giving any hints to photographers and don't want to yet. You gotta find out where they are and catch them in the act.

Problem is, photographers have gotten mysteriously lazy and no longer camp out in secret spots. Or, security measures are so advanced today, it highly discourages unwelcome coverage of prototype testing.

I'd say the German OEMs court the press, out of all automakers, as they love the attention and German press loves them in response, for the early coverage and giving photographers/media steady business.

Sometimes it does bite the Germans in the ass, as seen with some leaks, where an all-new S-Class was leaked 3 years before release and gave competitors a very early look at their benchmark.

There are many Ford prototype vehicles, I have yet to ever see, in not having requisite clearance for the given program. Like the 2023 Mustang for instance.

Thanks again, in being amongst members like RedWings, Lt. Dangle, stevenj, and etc who keep the ship afloat and fend off hearsay, which doesn't match up with upcoming reality. I thank a lot of you, who contribute in this regard, because I know that owners can use this information to decide on their future buying or leasing decisions.

Toyota may not want this publicized for that reason, but I don't think a minority of dedicated Tacoma owners knowing this information early enough, would hurt their bottom line. It's why I don't do YT, because the reach is too much compared to TW. Luckily we fly below the radar.

To correct my reply above, I think these were the August 2014 photos in question that I forgot to attach, you had commented on above.



Seeing those 3G mules in 2G bodies in Aug 2014, Toyota was playing for the press and already had 3Gs built internally. Instead testing away from prying eyes. until teasing time, here in late 2014...



EVERYONE:

Just to reiterate, we're gonna start seeing a huge wave of renderings, if we haven't already. Although some are quality efforts, like Car And Driver's new rendering below, 9 out 10 times these renderings are not accurate insight due to lack of proximity to internal knowledge. Only in the rarest instances, does American automotive media get briefed on such things.


Toyota products not sold in JDM, rarely get such specialized coverage in terms of early renderings of the real deal. Why? Lack of domestic proximity, to global HQ. Toyota tends to invite skilled artists to view the actual future vehicle, in test prototype form or even design mockup.

As you can see, this list I'll provide you tells the story of how this works:

In 2004, the Lexus brand had not yet been launched in JDM and at that point this was the car they were selling instead of the LS 430, the 3rd generation Toyota Celsior, introduced in 2000 and just refreshed in August 2003 (2004 MY).


With having announced intentions in 2003 to start selling Lexus in JDM by 2005, Japanese magazines were already on top of it and taking hints left and right on what to expect and render. The majority made blind guesses at renderings, like the case with the 4th Gen Tacoma today via YouTube and clickbait sites.



Toyota having already designed the 2007 Lexus LS during 2002-2003, started quietly showing the new future design to artists in 2004. Japanese artists for media entities were shown the vehicle in an embargoed, no cameras and no phones, high security setting in Japan. After some 30-45 seconds, they were then ushered out and required to draw/render the car's design from memory.

Bad 2003-04 guess at 2007 Lexus LS


This August 2004 magazine rendering below was one result, in an awful maze of crap renderings (like the above). Very accurate at an early stage, because of insider access.



Then they did this too shortly afterward...absolutely dead accurate.



The actual car below got revealed on January 8, 2006, at the 2006 NAIAS as the 2007 Lexus LS 460. The Japanese artists had gotten it right over 2 years before release, in September 2006.



Here's another example with this November 2015 rendering of the 2018 Camry, also from Japan.



Then the real deal revealed on January 9, 2017. See how close that rendering from 2015 was?



Then this rendering for the 2022 Land Cruiser 300, from July/August 2019! Again out of Japan, someone who saw that thing to get it that close, way before being revealed.





Toyota barely went official on the Land Cruiser 300 in June 2021.



By comparison, renderings like these annoy me, in the sense they are not as informed as the above.



What C&D did now, is probably the most credible effort yet, from mostly blind speculation. This although not to my taste, is behind C&D's effort and not very credible, but way better than the others.



One day, someone might get it right, in terms of the 2024 Tacoma's final design, over the next year.

 

@Carmaker1 thanks some guy on TW.
2nd Gen swan song was “TRD pro” 15MY.
When do you think Toyota will release Trailhunter?
Maybe last MY of the 3rd Gen?

 

lol that wasn't meant to be serious. Just a little dig at all the folks already up in arms over the looks of a truck that hasn't been revealed.

 

Im curious on what your insistance on '26 is? Do you work for Toyota?

 

5 letter word that starts with a T ends with an L.

 

Tamal! Mmmm.

 

Lol, what body lines? The thing is covered in flappy camo to disguise the body lines. Sure you can make out some small details, but it’s probably a hacked up 3g body over the new chassis for testing.
It cracks me up when people get so up in arms over spy photos of a new gen vehicle wearing flappy ass camo with no real discernible features.

Except maybe a coil spring rear axle and rear discs….

 

Toyota better bring their A+ game for the Tacoma redesign. Its way more important than the Tundra, which will be obsolete (again) before the first unit is sold. Rumor is that the Tundra hybrid barely moves the needle in terms of MPG gain over the TT-V6. The Tacoma has to do better. And that Tundra front end...please oh please dont do it on the Tacoma.

 

New Tundra is growing on me. It will grow on everyone. It’s human nature to hate the new redesigned models. You can fight human nature.

 

I like this more than the current 3G front end lol!

 

Yeah, but the PRO has those tacky plastic hero badges on the hood. Looks ridiculous IMO.

The red Limited OR some outlets were tested looked ok.

 

Why?

 

I only care if this comes in electric or PLUGIN hybrid.

 

Uh oh, you said the 'e' trigger word.

 

Couldn't care less what some old dinosaurs want. I'm not buying another ICE only vehicle.