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  1. Nov 29, 2008 at 11:13 PM
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    I went to install my sliders tonight and it looks like they don't quite fit right out of the box.

    Has anyone else that has installed All Pro sliders have to modify the pinch weld under the cab by either notching it or bending it back?

    pinch weld
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    mounting plate looks a little low
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  2. Nov 29, 2008 at 11:16 PM
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    getting there....
    you may need to notch it sure enough. are you planning on welding them, or are you going to bolt them on?
     
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  3. Nov 29, 2008 at 11:19 PM
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    Was planning on bolting them on for now.

    Kinda pisses me off though. I asked the guy before I ordered them and he said they had fixed the "notching" issue...
     
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  4. Nov 29, 2008 at 11:28 PM
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    hmmm........may wanna give him a call and see whats up with that bro. i havent looked at it,especially since i traded in my 06, but how much of a bitch will it be to notch the pinch weld?? any room to work??
     
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  5. Nov 30, 2008 at 1:42 AM
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    I want to get these, but now I'm reconsidering. When I called All-Pro, and asked which way is best to mount (bolt or weld), he said that he'd never drill holes in the frame of his own truck and bolt anything to it, believing that making holes in the frame weakened it.

    I just played dumb and listened to his personal opinion.
     
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  6. Nov 30, 2008 at 6:15 AM
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    Greysky had the same problem with hers. She had the pinch weld cut, but I think it could be clearanced with a BFH. Welding them on is the best thing. :)
     
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  7. Nov 30, 2008 at 6:28 AM
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    I dont think it would be a good idea to. If you gusset the plates, then the force of whatever you impart on the sliders is transfered right to the frame, and it could bend/twist the frame. Building them like this keeps the "fusable link" at the slider base saveing the frame from being tweaked. Im not a fan of All Pro, but their sliders are pretty nicely done.
     
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  8. Nov 30, 2008 at 6:41 AM
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    So they dont bend, BUT, if hit hard enough, the force will be transfered to the frame possibly causeing it to bend. Like I said, I think the All Pro's are a better design, as its cheaper to fix sliders and a small dent in the body, than it is to straighten a frame. Now, you WOULD have to hit the sliders pretty hard for any damege to occure to the frame, but the possability exists.
     
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    Sounds like a typical salesman issue. Nice of the "guy" to tell you All Pro had "fixed the notching issue". All Pro claims a closer fit than their competitors as a visual thing and state in their tech instructions, "In order to provide maximum strength and protection Rock Guards should be welded directly to the frame." AND "For a nice tight fit it's best to use a grinder to remove a small amount of material on the pinch weld of the body directly above each of the three support bars." You gotta LOVE salesmen.
     
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  10. Nov 30, 2008 at 9:43 AM
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    BFH?

    If I weld them, doesn't that have the same effect of the possible bent frame on a hard impact?

    The guy told me that they recommend welding them on, but I didn't read anything about having to notch the pinch weld...

    Stupid question, but if I have them welded on, how hard is it to remove them or is it even possible?
     
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  11. Nov 30, 2008 at 9:46 AM
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    BFH = Big F'ing Hammer
    The weak link is the joint where the slider extensions meet the mounting plate.
    If they are welded on, all you need to do to remove them is to grind off the welds. :)
     
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  12. Nov 30, 2008 at 9:49 AM
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    I knew it was something like that... :)
     
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    So, I took them by a place to get welded and they said $200-250. Sound like a lot? Also, will a "mig" welder do the job or do they need to use an "arc" welder? They mentioned that they could do it just fine with the mig welder but had some initial hesitation...

    It was Midas and they said 2-2.5 hours of shop time.

    P.S. Sorry for the "quotes" on the types of welders - not that knowledgeable on all things welding... :)
     
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    Never had much experience with the mig.
     
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    2-2.5 hours for welding these on? looks like maybe an hour to me. MIG welding them will be fine as long as the welder is of sufficient size and the frame is prepped a little where they're going to be welded to it- paint should be removed to get max strength and to keep out contaminates even though the weld will burn off the paint. hope this helps a bit
     
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    Is an auto shop not the right place to go? Any other suggesitons (not necessarily specific places unless you know the Minneapolis area :) )?
     
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    A dedicated off road shop would be best, as more than likely, they have installed them before.
     
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    If you can't find an off road shop try a local welder i have one buy me that does some really nice work for a good price. I had him weld some aluminum on my boat and that came out great and from what i understand aluminum is hard to weld. good luck
     
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    ditto....and mine cost $100 to have them welded on. i havent been under there to look in a while, but i didnt have to pinch weld mod mine and i dont believe the bottoms of the brackets hang below the frame...i'll have to check it out later
     
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    +1 a local welder is probably the way to go. with the economy the way it is, he may be hurting at the moment so they would probably be glad to get a little business from you and they can do it much quicker for less $ too:D...... oh, and yes aluminum is tough to weld:cool:
    It conducts the heat much more than steel so more of the base metal heats up and its pretty easy to burn a hole through anything 1/8" or less in thickness. 3/16"+ is pretty simple if you can do any other welding.
     
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TEMCo TH0006 Hydraulic Electrical Cable Lug/Terminal Crimper Kit with 18 Die Sets 12 AWG - 00 (2/0) (5 US TON)
$149.94
RAM Mounts RAM-B-367U Motorcycle Handlebar Clamp Base with M8 Bolts with B Size 1" Ball
$12.99
API Clamps (4 Pack) Silver Compatible with Toyota Tacoma - 2005 & Newer - Mounting Channel Track Truck Topper Cap, Camper Shell
$41.00
Xenon Depot Reverse light System, XTR LP License Plate Light Bar, Universal Flush Mount, fits Any US-Spec Plate Mounts (1x XD.LED400 1x WP322)
$86.75
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