Fitting 35’s with minimal trimming NOW ADDING LONG TRAVEL AND 934 CV’s

I cant weld, but enjoy reading this. Learning by just reading.
yea, theres been times Ive wanted a cage just in case. Was almost thinking of some sore of exo cage just for some extra protection. But even then, theres a lot to get into with just that.

 

This is my thoughts on it. I'd really need to deep dive into the procedure on what pieces happen in what order so that you can weld up and around every joint 100%.

 

The only real way to learn is to do it. But that doesn’t mean start practicing welds, bending and notching for a few months and jump in. You can destroy a 100$ chunk of tube in seconds by messing up a single notch or bend. When I was working with chromo on cages I would spend hours on every single piece. When you’re talking upwards of 20$ a foot, mistakes quickly get expensive. Even at 10$ a foot for DOM the same is true. The average cage I did in a smaller car ate up 150’ real quick. I have yet to measure out the truck, but my guess is I’ll be ordering around 300ft to be safe. So that’s going to be 2500-3000 just in tube.

 

What are the issues with the 4xinnovations pre fab cage? Other than way too obtrusive up front.

 

You’ll brain yourself on that cage no doubt.

 

Not to mention shins and knee caps every time you want to get in and out

 

It seems like the best way to do it is how Harry did it or don’t do it at all. I’m going with the rogue fab m600 and purchasing bend tech. I have very analytical thought process and like engineering stuff so might help me have less waste other than going the old fashion route. We will see how it goes I guess.

 

I agree with this. If someone wants to do it just make sure they invest the proper time and effort to make sure it’s done correctly. I’m sure Harry has things he’d do different from the first one he did on the Tacoma. So don’t expect it to be perfect. It took me 4 years of school and equivalent in the field to be comfortable working on high voltage. Like Harry said just expect it to take a lot of time and probably waste a good amount of pipe. But that’s just how it works when you are learning. Just have to be prepared for it.

 

The way that it curves around the dash is a failure point IMO, if you land on the lid that curved A pillar tube will fail

 

What are some of the other effects (good or bad) from boxing the frame? No cage, just boxing and triangulated crossmembers. Like would it effect towing or anything daily driving related?

 

From a safety standpoint I see all crumple zones being eliminated. You’ll have a stout frame, and a not so stout cab. I was personally all about the frame boxing until I really thought about things. And in my opinion boxing but not caging is making it less safe.

 

You either take the F1 approach or the Nascar approach.

 

you’re gonna need to explain that thought process amigo… yes you would affect crumple zones but the minute you put steel bumpers on you’ve pretty much done that anyway

how do you correlate a plated frame without a cage to being more dangerous ?

 

the only negative affect will be a stiffer ride but you can re valve accordingly

 

Yeah, with HC bumpers you're more likely to get flipped in an accident since smaller vehicles are gonna act like ramps. Flipping is why I think a cage is a good idea. I do want to box my frame as well, and that's a cost that's easier to chew than the cost of a cage, so it'll probably be done in stages, with boxed frame being first.

 

I’ll take a stiffer ride over wobbly any day.

 

My safety concern is the truck will be more capable with the frame stiffened up. Naturally you will push it harder because of this. Yet the most important part of the equation is non existent. I mean if you’re suicidal, I guess that’s your call. Personally I’d rather wreck, be ok and rebuild.

 

I miss the days when I was 16 years old and 1.75'' was $1.5-2 a foot, I was casually building bumpers for everything and cages here and there. Started on a little bed cage the other day, and shit myself at the metal market since I didnt realize what the prices were nowadays.

 

IMO valving isn’t going to change a thing. If anything I could see valving needing to be more stout as the frame is no longer absorbing anything and the shocks are doing every bit of the work.

 

wait wait wait…there are a ton of guys with extremely capable rigs with out plated frames or cages bit now your saying it’s now suicidal to plate your frame ? plating your frame isn’t going to make your truck any more capable of anything other than not twisting and flexing like a rubber band. You’re making some pretty big leaps there