Fitting 35’s with minimal trimming NOW ADDING LONG TRAVEL AND 934 CV’s

I’m saying it’s suicidal to keep doing things that let you push the limits further and further without factoring in your own safety. At some point, if you play enough you’re gonna have a bad day. And if you don’t take that into consideration, it could be your last day.

I 100% disagree that plating the frame won’t make the truck more capable. It’ll make the chassis work.

 

dude you’re on a unusual path today ? how can you possibly say that valving isn’t going to change a thing lol ? valving changes everything in either direction - stiffer or softer. Proper valving keeps your tires on the ground and absorbing bumps properly

 

If the frame is absorbing impacts and twisting its playing a role in the way the suspension works. IMO it’s taking some load off of the suspension actually. If that theory is correct, stiffening the chassis puts significantly more load on the suspension which would in fact require more stout valving. Translating to a more stout ride. I can’t foresee it going the other way.

 

you can achieve a far better ride quality and performance by eliminating a non tunable uncontrollable / variable factor such a chassis flex and chassis rebound.

i feel like your arguing a point that i never tossed in your direction. i said it will ride a bit stiffer and that you could retune/revalve to get where you want to be i never said to tune it softer - tune it accordingly to match what you feel and see occurring. if it feels harsher in regard to high speed compression maybe add a flutter to let it blow past that, if it feels too soft add some compression, if it feels too stiff take some away…just tune it properly. i guaran-fn-tee a stiffer chassis with a properly tuned suspension will not only perform better but also ride more comfortably without all of that uncontrolled frame rebound bounce bs

 

So you are admitting it will make the truck more capable? Because a few comments up you said that wouldn’t happen. All it would do is stop the frame from twisting. I suggest going back to read what you said maybe? I’m well aware of what a stiff chassis is capable of. Way back when I used to do auto-x stuff we would pull a car down to bare bones and stitch weld every single seam. It stiffened the hell out of the chassis. And you could push them a whole hell of a lot harder.

And I absolutely agree, the frame flex does provide a ton of unwanted feedback. But Personally, I’ve somewhat ignored that and tuned the suspension to keep my ass off of the bumps all the time. This whole thing also involves the human aspect of things as well. Some can’t handle a harsher ride that can take some good abuse. I’ve had friends ride with me that thought the truck rode like ass until we hit dirt. Mainly, because it does ride like ass on the street in my opinion. That, or Michigan roads are worse than our dirt roads.

 

bro you are seriously twisting things to fit your narrative and you seem to be somehow equating better performance to a safety issue and instant death via suicide.

you’ve lobbed out a super broad chunk of opinion and now you’re going to defend to all ends ( which by your logic and based upon the amount of work you’ve done on your truck will be ruled death by suicide )

By your logic any aftermarket doo dads added to a Toyota Tacoma increase it’s capabilities - so it should be caged …

Don’t you own a shop and make a living helping people commit vehicular suicide ?

 

You’re taking things far too literal, I hope that’s not how you take life. I guess the way I’m looking at things is if you’re pushing your truck hard enough that the frame flex is a legitimate problem, yeah it’s probably time to think about safety a little. I know I can push mine hard enough with no frame stiffening that it occasionally makes me wet myself a little. I also don’t have self control, so if I could push it harder I would. I guess not everybody is like me in that department. I suppose it’s simply a difference in view points. Which is fine, and completely normal as humans.

 

This is an interesting argument tonight I was going to comment but I see where it's going. I'll just get the popcorn.

 

I think I can safely say that I’ve driven more modified Tacoma’s then anyone can imagine. BY FAR the smoothest, best handling and most predictable truck hands down is the one I did a cage in. Honestly there is no comparison.

@Evenflow and I were having a discussion a while back about a section of freeway near by that was almost unbearable in his truck as a result of the frame flex. When I was taking @kasnerd truck to get the supercharger installed I took a little detour to hit the same section and while it wasn’t necessarily unbearable it wasn’t great. Then I got really curious and took the truck with the cage down the same section and it was smooth as glass however I almost went deaf from the check valves in the bypass shocks.

 

ah see…there ya’ go your not looking at this with the right lens. you’re assuming the frame flex is only a “legitimate problem” when your pushing your truck and that couldn’t farther from the truth. somewhat understandable if you have not experienced what some of us do.

the frame flex and rebound i experience feels like the worst axle roll you’ve ever felt ie: a front back up/down wiggle and it happens even while daily driving on the highway and many people have the same prob. it’s not flex as in “ im flexing my kings on the mall curb “ or a twist flex issue it is the frame bouncing up and down incredibly bad because it is such a noodle that it bends and then rebounds as steel tends to do.

no kidding it’s so fucking bad that i don’t even want to drive the piece of shit anymore. i literally can’t drink a beverage while driving my truck down the highway unless it’s through a straw and even then i’m highly likely to bust a lip or chip a tooth.

we all know the 05-07 ish frames were so bad that they changed it up…the damn motor mounts caved in. and then they updated it again a few years later. could be a year model issue heck could even be an issue with certain production runs from dana ?

i wish i would have saved the video, we took a video of a second gen with the bed and rear suspension off and when you smacked the frame rails it deflected 1/4”…smacking it with the palm of your hand…

 

It's still an issue even with the most up to date replacement frames I've got it bad on mine and my frame is like 4 yrs old.

 

I agree. I’m talking about normal daily driving is awful too. I totally agree with wanting to hang up the keys because it feels like driving a total clunker. I used to think it was just my tire carrier moving around, but nope the whole frame bounces up and down left and right just going down the road. It’s insanely bad. Again, just stomping on the rear of my slider with one foot makes the shell and cab wobble.

 

I do experience somewhat similar as well, my tires flat spot a little when it sits out in the cold overnight. You can literally feel the springiness in the frame. I know it’s coming from the back of the truck. It doesn’t sound as bad as yours by any means. But I don’t like it. One of the big reasons I am personally opting for a cage.

 

I think folks with a lot of weight towards the rear like tire carriers etc experience it a lot worse. I can move weight further up in the bed and limit the shake.

 

Yeah it’s insane right now. I am curious to know how other contractors are doing as parts for the jobs are going up by 10-20% at the minimum after we sign the contract. It’s just screwing people over. Then on top of that all the shipping craziness going on. Our big generators are back ordered over 6 months!

 

My 2013 long bed does the same thing. Especially noticeable on the concrete freeways where they lay the sections down that never seem to be level. You’ll get to the point where the truck feels like a trampoline in the middle.

 

yeah i work in construction management and it’s definitely a huge problem for sure. this next statement has zero to do with politics so don’t anyone turn it into that or i’ll summon the mod ban hammer on yo’ ass. the previous administration created a lot of tariffs in an attempt to promote US manufacturing that raised prices ( ie: steel ) and they did so before having any clue if the US production capability or capacity was anywhere near ready for it which we were not and the gap has still not been filled…and then when US manufacturers kicked into gear do you think they were doing so for the same low prices… then the world shut down and it created a supply and demand nightmare that further pushed prices up…then the shipping back ups made it worse yet again. it’s a huge mess…

it has also pushed more and more manufacturers to turn to on demand production only ie: they make zero “ on the shelf “ inventory anymore, everything is built per order only.

i’m hearing that it could take a couple more years to normalize pricing and production lead times…but do you think anyone is motivated to lower prices even when/if their costs decrease ?

i’ve seen items that previously cost $5k and had a 30 day lead time jump to 10k and a 22 week lead time.

We’ve got clients rushing to get us under contract and get plans rushed through just to get procurement started early. the project i’m on now they brought us in 6 months early with just a demo permit just to get the ball rolling early…and we still have stuff that is not going to arrive until Feb 22’

 

@81Trekker what are the chances of a frame kit of some sort ending up on the website?

 

It is crazy now. We have started awarding contracts 6 months ahead of originally planned just to get the contractor onboard to start procuring materials, or we procure long lead materials (steel sheetpiles, pipeline appurtenances, etc) ourselves which we never did in the past. We even had a couple contractors that bid on projects that already ordered materials just incase they were awarded the contract. Most my projects have permits with seasonal work windows which compounds the complications (i.e. if materials aren't available at beginning of seasonal window then we're delayed to next year's work window).

 

I get a price increase or availability update pretty much every week if not more. Seems to be the norm across most industries right now. We’ve decided we can’t hold a quote for thirty days anymore. Lucky if it’ll hold a week.