Trade in Tacoma for an EV Truck?

If you are stupid enough to drive to a new work and assume there is charging without checking then you deserve to suffer the consequences.

although most people go to the same jobsite over and over and over again so seems like a pretty easy situation to handle.

 

I completely agree, range anxiety is over blown. When I started getting serious about buying an EV I'll admit to being concerned myself. But, in my case installing a 240 volt outlet in my garage is going to be fairly simple. That means there is no place I normally drive that would require a stop at the charging station. Even the stupidest commute know to mankind (former boss, 200 miles round trip, on the 91 in California, 4 hours daily) can be done without a recharge.

As for road trips, I think the charge times are over blown too. Personally, after two hours of sitting I have to stand up, stretch, and maybe pee. Same for my wife. We regularly visit family that live 7 hours from here. According to the charging app on my phone doing that trip in my Tesla will require two 15 minute charging stops at the same places we already stop at. The lower the battery is, the faster it charges. And, you only charge enough to get to the next charger.

I wonder how much of a thing the charge at work or the store is with the current crop of EVs. Even my old boss with his daily 200 mile round trip wouldn't need to charge at the office. That said, I could see some companies looking at the costs and thinking, what a great perk for our employees and customers. According to google charging a Tesla model Y from 0 to 100% would cost about $12, so even a stupid commute would be around $5 to the employer. Most would be way less than that.

 

Some people don't understand progress. They'll slap EV chargers everywhere and put a payment device on them. Convenience stores have already signed contracts for 6 or 8 to every store. They'll pop up as the need arises.

They'll also develop ways to extinguish any fire in seconds. Ford had the Pinto explosions decades after development. I'm sure there will be problems in twenty years with electric and we'll fix those too.

You guys wanting everything perfect on day 1 seem afraid of progress. It'll work itself out like it always does.

 

People want instant ease. You're right. Alot of fallacious reasoning getting thrown around here.

 

I think for most it is simply fear of the unknown.

 

[QUOTE="jsi, post: 26529865, member:

I wonder how much of a thing the charge at work or the store is with the current crop of EVs. Even my old boss with his daily 200 mile round trip wouldn't need to charge at the office. That said, I could see some companies looking at the costs and thinking, what a great perk for our employees and customers. According to google charging a Tesla model Y from 0 to 100% would cost about $12, so even a stupid commute would be around $5 to the employer. Most would be way less than that.[/QUOTE]

When did it become the employer's responsibility for the employee's commute to work?

If commuting is such a concern build your workers onsite housing.

 

Thanks I'll take a Ford Lightning add the Tremmor pkg and tow mirrors. Stonegray is my 1st choice of color.

 

Employers offer it as a perk, the same as having on site showers for those that ride bikes to work. Don’t expect it everywhere.

 

People who can't add or subtract shouldn't be buying an EV.

 

Riding a bike to work is dangerous. The deer do not respect the bike lane. Your 15 minute commute would also become a 3 hour commute.

 

When did it become the employer's responsibility for the employee's commute to work?

If commuting is such a concern build your workers onsite housing.[/QUOTE]

why do you continue to make these false arguments. Absolutely NOBODY said or implied it was the employers responsibility. Not even close. Like everything else the employer can CHOOSE to offer a PERK to employees, or choose NOT to.

absolutely NOBODY said anything close to what you said

 

This is actually one of my biggest frustrations with the current anti-EV argument. The charging infrastructure is actually such a business motivator that we will see entirely new cottage industries develop around it. More then that the charging network itself can be used to prop up current businesses.

We go to gas stations out of necessity and while there other “conveniences” are offered. With electrics now you don’t have to build out the storage of dangerous and hazardous fluids, instead you just need to offer an already common utility. This means restaurants, theaters, malls, or shopping centers can offer recharging as the convenience to their services, rather then energy drinks and Doritos being the convenience for your fuel. And heck, if a mall wants to put on solar panels to power their rechargers so they can offer “renewable” energy to cater to a certain crowd they can (and they become independent from grid fluctuations. Remember the recent gas shortages?)

Frankly an electric vehicle grid has such potential for removing our dependence on fixed point grids and foreign energy we are way behind where we should be

 

Employers and businesses don't have to do a thing. For me at work or shopping charging has little value. But, perks are a thing. Even before the great resignation every employer I've worked at has been worried about employee retention. One gig had a box at the Staples center that employees got to use on a regular basis. I had a "perks" line item in my budget, and my bonus was partly determined by my retention percentage.

Companies can do math and if "free" electricity returns better retention, longer shopper visits, good will, etc, they may want to consider installing chargers. One business that will need to install chargers is hotels. For me going forward the availability of charging will weigh heavily on where I choose to stay.

 

why do you continue to make these false arguments. Absolutely NOBODY said or implied it was the employers responsibility. Not even close. Like everything else the employer can CHOOSE to offer a PERK to employees, or choose NOT to.

absolutely NOBODY said anything close to what you said[/QUOTE]

I don't see what an employer could have to gain based upon the type of vehicle their employee decides to drive to their place of employment.

Yes I guess it would be a perk if you could charge your EV at work on the employers dime... and I'm sure some employers will offer it.

 

College campuses are a great place to install charging stations, but I don't think those colleges will lower their tuition rates to lure EV driving students to their schools.

 

that is exactly what everyone here has been saying. It why near every single comment back to you says “perk” in it.

man literally, again, for the fourth time, employers ARE already if offering it. Not a few of them, not in only a few select locations, businesses are offering free charging in nearly every state and most metropolitan areas. This isn’t just a one or two business thing where “Google” and “Apple”, the “progressive” bastions are offering this. Many many businesses have been providing this as a perk for quite some time now

 

The only places I have seen charging stations was Royal Farms. I think there was installed at the airport. The only other places I have seen them are at multi unit residential rental properties.

I don't like the styling of Tesla vehicles, that's my only gripe with EV.

 

tesla styling certainly isn’t for everyone. I kinda like the cars but as someone said, the kinda look like frogs. and I even like the cybertruck but totally get how it’s ugly

Fire off a zip code relatively near you and I can show you the chargers around. It doesn’t have to be your zip code but if you don’t mind us knowing what state I can give you a glimpse of chargers.

fwiw I routed some paths in central USA (Kansas to Wisconsin) and had zero issue in finding fast chargers suitable for doing road trips. Other then Wyoming near every major corridor is well equipped with fast chargers. Once outside the major corridors there are still usually chargers but the speed at which they charge slows. Many many locations offer “charging” to bring in tourists, heck even the very remote regions of Michigan (up) were offering 220v off the light posts in the city park.

 

Here's a map of EV charges, looks like all public, Tesla and business installed chargers including hotels...there could be chargers near you you didn't even realize.

https://pluginamerica.org/get-equip...vfgCb9GPRHKsI4fUGpq-WM9rlc5ZhZixoCSOAQAvD_BwE

 

I'm liking the look of the Ionic5, reviews look good and great styling.