Rivian fully electric 4x4 - the future

Dude are you a Russian bot ? Just shit posting non-sense with your AI algorithm intended to stoke confusion amongst the TW populace lol.


drive line? I'm talking about tires ,brakes and shocks when beating a dump truck off road.

 

Its a false argument to claim these are the cause of inflation, heck the price of the truck isn't even inflation its just a higher cost. And that is where much of this pedantic arguing against EVs looks silly. First and foremost, the high price of an EV is NOT "Inflation", its an increased purchase price. Inflation is when a $4 jug of mil is now a $5 jug of milk.
As for cost, yes the initial purchase price is high, these are also VERY VERY early in development and we have seen a dramatic reduction in price in just the last few years. Simply put what is currently the high priced components of an electric car (battery) have not had 70 years of development designed to lower cost and increase efficiency.
And looking at the purchase price itself shows a lack of looking at the whole picture (and why this isn't inflation). A vehicle is an object designed to accomplish a set of goals, you have to consider its lifespan in that. Electric vehicles, although expensive, are so because they push much of the lifespan cost closer to the front then spread out, namely operating costs. Over your ownership of a vehicle does it matter if it cost $30k to buy and $30k to run, or $50k to buy and $10k to run?

And for what it matters they are hardly FORCING electric vehicles on you. If you consider them forcing electric vehicles on you then you should consider the subsidies and laws put in place to protect oil and gas as "forcing" gas vehicles on you. Folks want to argue that its the "greenies" pushing this agenda but its not, not in entirety. I do laugh at the folks who talk about "going outside" but then complain about the vehicles that protect that more.

And as far as arguing "its not even truly electric" give me a break, the ONLY ones saying that are the pundits AGAINST electric cars, they use it as a strawman to knock them down. Literally everyone else knows the energy comes from somewhere, they are just pointing out that it is better (better, not PERFECT) coming from an electricity generating facility then coming from millions of small sources. Not only are the efficiencies much much higher, that energy generation is MUCH easier to keep clean at a fixed site not encumbered by the need to be mobile, start and stop, and operate in a WIDE variety of conditions. Not only that electricity generation has a much higher opportunity to be distributed and use a variety of sources as depending on area you can use coal, Natural Gas, methane, oil, wind, solar, hydro, micro-hydro, tidal, thermal, geo, wave, or any of a variety of others. Hell, you could capture those cow farts the enviro-weenies are now whining about and use the methane. Ultimately regardless of where it comes from, oil even, it puts out less crap then running a gas car. And as far as transport, where do you think the tankers, tanker trucks, wells, pipelines, and refineries come from? Well to Wheels show's that almost 20% of the energy used in a car is lost in just getting the fuel TO the car.

The irony is, as said, going electric is actually the best way to keep society from influencing you, but Facebook and politics has convinced a lot of folks against that. I wonder how much of the few billion a year we give to the oil producing nations was spent buying "truth" on the internet.

 

I remember reading a clean energy report and seeing something saying California has to import 25 or 30 percent of its power from neighboring states. Are the other States under contract to provide power or can they scale it back when they want?

 

One of the things we've seen out here is that apartment complexes are either adding solar above the carports or creating carports with solar panels (shade and electricity so a win-win). Apartment dwellers are looking for electrical charging as one of the options with housing so it makes sense for landlords to use that as a benefit that will bring tenants and they can also charge for the electricity used to help pay off the infrastructure upgrade.

 

The Tacoma is almost 5000 lbs BEFORE you put all the armor and shit everyone around here loves, stop acting like 7500 is this insane number.

 

I have 22 solar panels and the ROI to pay them off was 6 years. I had a $250 a month electrical bill (lots of A/C in the summer and hot tub). My bill is about a 1/10th and I'm now saving >$2400 a year. I'm also generating 20% more than I use and since the electric company can't pay me they're getting electricity from free for me to sell to someone else.

The cost savings give me more than enough to replace any panels that may go out as well as are putting money in my pocket for the battery wall.

 

$16K here for a 22 panel set up on my house. 6 year ROI (we did use the federal write-off for our system so we saved 30% on it). Our system is paid off and I'm getting >$200 a month back in what I used to pay the electric company.

 

The US has contributed more to pollution than any other country.

There are some key points we can learn from this perspective:

• the United States has emitted more CO2 than any other country to date: at around 400 billion tonnes since 1751, it is responsible for 25% of historical emissions;
• this is twice more than China – the world’s second largest national contributor;
• the 28 countries of the European Union (EU-28) – which are grouped together here as they typically negotiate and set targets on a collaborative basis – is also a large historical contributor at 22%;
• many of the large annual emitters today – such as India and Brazil – are not large contributors in a historical context;
• Africa’s regional contribution – relative to its population size – has been very small. This is the result of very low per capita emissions – both historically and currently.

 

Sounds like you did good, I am hoping prices will come down in the future. Had 3 estimate last year for the grid tied systems but they didn't have a break even point till about 18 years.

 

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2022 Toyota Tacoma/Curb weight
3,915 to 4,550 lbs
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also that's why you shouldn't put all that overland BS on. Just buy an RV.

 

We aren't doing our part on a per capita basis (nor historically, see my other post):

1. Qatar — 37.05 per capita
2. Kuwait — 23.49 per capita
3. Saudi Arabia — 19.39 per capita
4. Canada — 16.85 per capita
5. United States — 15.74 per capita
6. Germany — 9.7 per capita
7. China — 7.72 per capita
8. Spain — 6.09 per capita
9. France — 5.02 per capita

 

Weighed mine yesterday with half a tank of fuel, 4750. OR DCSB M6. No additions on it what so ever.

Again, that's before armor or anything else, the Tacoma is not that far from a Rivian.

 

That's crazy. Home solar is such a common occurence here in CA that it's driven the prices way down. I gotta believe the costs will migrate to other states based on how well it's taken off here.

Here's a link to a google map of our neighborhood. While it's not on every house a lot of the houses have solar. If you look at my kids middle school they have all the parking spaces covered by a solar panel canopy. Just up the road at the walmart they also have a very large array:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Strata+Dr+&+Contour+Pl,+Carlsbad,+CA+92010/@33.1710949,-117.290915,439m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x80dc73e9c563a72d:0xb0a6887a871dc050!8m2!3d33.1710949!4d-117.2902643

Here's the walmart:

 

It seems like the panels make sense if you have a "high" electric bill. Mine is ~$60/mo in the non-HVAC months and ~$150/mo in the dead of summer/winter. I looked into panels and they would've cost me ~$250/mo with a 22 year ROI. Have to kick that can down the road while the technology improves and price decreases.

 

the rivian is ~7,500 curb weight. Like you say people will start to add weight , like we do with our trucks, so after all accessors and passengers are added to a rivian you are in the 8,000-9,000lb range. That's ALOT more than our Tacoma's.

 

That is my hope that they will drop over time, the local school does have a nice ground rack system but it's the only place around here with them.

 

Your monthly bill is lower than mine so you have an even worse break even point, my bill stays generally around $125 most of the year except for the middle of winter and summer where it's a little more.

 

I love the idea of going energy independent with my own solar and wind power, but I cant imagine the power companies will let it happen on a large scale. It seems like the sweet spot to get into it now before the politicians start pushing regulations to limit how energy independent you can be, immediately after large sums of energy money get donated to their campaigns.

 

I agree 100 percent, that was my thinking too when l started checking into this stuff, really need to check out some wind options too.