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Let's Talk About EV Conversion

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by Kiloyard, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. Dec 22, 2021 at 8:06 AM
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    It's a natural fear of progression and fear of change. My father is 82 and loved when i'd drive him around in the Tesla. He said he doesn't get what the problem people have with electric cars.
     
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    Batteries & high HP EV motors are too expensive otherwise I'd do it
     
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    Lol no thanks. Short life Batteries? Nope. Charging stations? Nope. Hours to charge a 300 mile cap battery? Nope. Replacing a battery once it dies with thousands of dollars? Nope.

    Reliable, bullet proof, powerful Toyota engine with 5 minute gas station stops every 300+ miles and proven to last well over 300k miles and minimal maintenance? Yes.


    Combustible engines are running cleaner than ever. People are programmed to believe their is some monster looming and the planet is dying.

    Global warming? Get real.
     
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    oh it's real. ...and EVs taking over is quite real. Go try to buy a new CRT tv, thanks
     
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    So I have to commute to work into the city with my dd and gas up $400+ p/m, toll, and wear tear on the vehicle maintenance.

    There has to be a better way than just EV. I'm sure technology will get better than just using batteries. And there other options.

    And for those who likes to tinker and mod our Tacos, but tearing apart an EV is a whole new set skill I might have to go back to school for. this type of technical skill to work on EV would be like another career. I've been an aircraft mechanic back in my day but EV is a whole another beast to fix. Looks like this is how you would be in the hands of the dealership again. No offense to others out there for anyone's mechanical skill but I like to fix something I break and maintain. I don't know if having an EV would be easier or harder to maintain... I get that batteries is a necessary evil and we're going to use it one way or another. No way around it for now.

    I'm almost close to retirement anyway and probably take up some classes and learn about these EV. Maybe work for one so I can learn to maintain and fix these darn things.

    But as for now I decided to buy an escooter segway ninebot and commute by train/ transit. Because with all the car break-ins and catalytic converter theft everywhere. This was probably the best way to prevent all that and save $$.
    In the future, I would like to convert my taco to some type of hybrid..
    My hobby my goal.. my retirement..
     
  10. Dec 22, 2021 at 10:09 PM
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    Would love to work for this company when I retire and collect my pension.. Then this would be another hobby needed to convert my Taco... lol
     
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    Yeah, I can hear the grinding/squealing from dust and pebbles from here.
     
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    You're right, and wondering if it can be submerged like river crossing, anything above tire level.. it's still a good concept. back to the drawing board..
     
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    Prove it. EV is taking over for someones gain. And it ain't the planet.
     
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    You mean car companies are capitalists? Say it ain't so.
     
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    Guys, you are missing the point. It is not a matter if we can make EV. Yes, we can, there are EV driving around to prove it. The problem is that there is not enough electricity available to power EV if all gasoline powered cars are replaced by EV. You can do your own calculation (I did) and in order to power all 280 million EV (the number of cars in USA) we will need to double the number of nuclear power plants we have operating today. That's right, we would need about 100 new nuclear reactors to power all cars (just cars, not diesel trucks and other commercial vehicles). Or we need to double the power from all renewable sources of energy produced in USA today meaning we would build additional 200 thousand new wind turbines or 3600 new hydro power plants. This is the reality. You can build 1000hp EV truck with 1000 miles range battery, but you will be able to drive it from you garage to the mail box down the street and back unless all EV enthusiasts starts talking about investing into power grid to support the change.

    I know the technical evolution is going faster every year but I think the EV takeover will not happen before the end of my life. Or prove me wrong in 10 years.
     
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    Good points but since the transition is gradual by the time all ICE vehicles are replaced by some other type of fuel it will be 50 plus years and we'll be long gone. Hopefully humans can bridge the gap between power needed and power used. To me power needs of EV's are being met just not charging stations. We don't know what effects solid state batteries, or hydrogen or other types of alternative fuel will be used when all ICE cars are 100% gone. Your calculations are based up flick of the switch ICE to EV's and right now no country could handle the demand.
     
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    I'm not saying that we can build 100 nuclear powerplant overnight, but if we really want to make a transition from ICE to EV we need to start on the infrastructure now. All politicians are talking "we need more EV" and "we need more charging stations", but I did not see anybody saying "we need more powerplants". That tells me all the "transition to green EV" is a load of political BS. That would be like someone would push for running more electric locomotive and less diesel ones on railroads, and forgot about planning for more overhead lines across the country.
     
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    Well I believe for power plants I believe was in the latest bill but taken out to appease the other party but money for transmission lines and charger infrastructure is happening. Everywhere except in Texas
     
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    This is where panels on your home come in. While it doesn't work everywhere, even on cloudy days you still get SOME power generation.

    I'd like to see a system where each home is responsible for generating the majority of its own power needs, which would include charging EVs. The power grid takes care of what's left over. I'd also like to get those folks who complain about power outages during storms and also complain about the costs of underground lines to STFU.

    But there are plenty of people clamoring for more power plants. Most certainly aren't arguing for more coal or other dirty sources, and Nuclear has its own long term issues. But if you ignore the enviros that would rather see us back in the stone age, plenty of people are talking about power generation. But as I said, it's not always the huge industrial power generation facilities that are needed. We should be generating at least a majority of our OWN power with rooftop panels etc...

    The main problem isn't the generation of power, but the storage of that power. Solar farms right now are easily capable of generating more power than the grid can handle. And that's not really a grid issue, but a demand/timing issue.

    So to get around that you need storage. Batteries are one thing, but obviously have their limitations. Other things like pumped storage where they pump water up hill, then release it during higher demand to generate power. The start up time is almost instantaneous, unlike having to fire up a coal or natural gas plant. So yeah, I'm sure ou'll have enviros complain about pumped storage because: dams.

    As for electric trains:
    https://www.bnsf.com/news-media/railtalk/service/battery-electric-locomotive.html
     
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