Conceal Carry: Situations you've been in

So did charges ever get pressed? I know the article said no, but it's been a while now.

 

Wow....Still not comfortable with one in the chamber -atleast not yet.

Hell....the amount of time it would take for me to get it out of its holster - I'm screwed!! I've gotta fine tune the carry thing....have about 3 different methods and I'm not 'practiced' in any of them. Thanks for asking!!!

Definately a 'new' culture and specialized knowledge.....
What else did they teach you in that class? We're not required to take any classes here in PA....just fill out the papers, pay $25, wait 10 minutes (if that) and you walk out the door with it.

Requiring people to take a class before getting their permit is a GREAT idea!!!

 

uhh no it isnt...what about the woman who has an abusive husband that need the right to carry? what about a the poor person who cant afford to take the class that lives in a rough inner city Philly neighborhood? What about grandma who is on a fixed budget and would have to choose between medicine and a training class...you can go on and on...

The mere fact that you need a LTCF in PA to get in a car or carry concealed is an abomination....

Rights do not come from government and they can not be granted nor taken away

The PA state constitution states:

The only point of government is to protect civil rights not infringe upon them..if the state is violating those rights your are supposed to alter it...or lastly abolish it

 

Ok.....???

Ok...... *woman with an abusive husband* needs a lot more help than a gun is gonna solve. She needs to AVOID the abuse altogether. Giving a gun to someone who willingly stays with an abusive husband....is a death waiting to happen. Conceal Carry is about AVOIDING situations when they arrive............NOT pursueing them!

If someone can't afford to take a class or buy a permit.....than they can't afford to buy guns and ammunition (and the time & money to practice with those guns & ammo). They need to spend their money on food, rent, and having a phone, a baseball bat, a knife, and maybe a big angry dog.

Sorry man...but I stay away from the political piss-fest.

Having a class is a DAMN good idea. Anyone who carries a gun should learn about how & when to use it.

If you read this book "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob - you'll understand completely. It's not something to take lightly and you can get yourself into a world of legal shit if you make the wrong decisions.

 

I never took a class cause washington doesnt require it. But I do feel that it should be required in order to get a ccw. I dont think it should be expensive just enough to cover the cost of the class. But there are too many people that can get a ccw who have no idea of how to carry the weapon. If you dont wanna do a class alot of states will let you open carry.

and for janister: Best thing to do is practice drawing however your gonna carry. They make dummy rounds so you can dry fire and it wont hurt the gun. I stand in my living room and pick a spot on the wall and draw my gun then re holster. You can get personal defence videos that will help you with it. Once you feel very comfortable with your abilty to get your weapon out and on target take it to the range where they will allow you to do drills and practice firering 2 to 4 rounds at a time. If your shot group is all over the place then slow down untill it tightens up then slowing speed up your rate of fire.

 

REQUIRING a class is an infringement of a right, so is a license. Would I like everyone to be trained before carrying, yes. Just because you want to give up little bits of your freedom for a little bit of safety doesn't mean I do. You don't get any more safety, just less freedom. It also makes it easier for them to slowly convince you to give up the rest of your freedom.
Take a look at this topic on m1911.org or any other gun forum. It has been beat to death with all angles covered.

 

I bet John Wayne didn't have to pay $150 and take an 8 hr class to get his permit.
I'm glad my state requires an 8 hr course in handgun safety and that we don't honor states that don't require a class.
My instructor put it best when he said "if you were somewhere with a group of people and tshtf and you needed to rely on your skills as well as other cwp holders, who do you want next to you? The person that has had a basic handgun course and knows what critical defense .45 ammo can do. Or jimmie joe bob that has had no training, pays $50 and gets his license in 20 mins and carries 3 full clips of ball ammo.

 

Matic, I hope you don't think laws and regulations will take the place of willfull participation. Just because a person attends a short ten hour class doesn't make then proficient at the art of self-defense.
Should you get trained before you carry? YES. Should it be mandatory? NO. It's an infringement of our rights.
I think of it this way, when tshtf who do you want next to you? The person who took an eight hour class and now thinks he's deadeye dick, or the guy who's had a lifetime of training passed down from his father and family who is qualified. I think a training class should be offered, not required.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with ball ammo. A hit in a critical area with with either ball or a JHP will kill. JHPs have a tough time with heavy clothing. I carry ball in winter, JHP in summer, but ball will still get the job done.
FYI, clips are for SKSs and M1 Garand, mags/magazines are for pistols
Follow the four rules and put your rounds in critical areas... nuff said.

 

I prefer to have the person who has had a lifetime of training passed down from there father, grandfather AND a critical handgun safety course.
Ball ammo is NEVER recomended as use for carry. That's why I made that remark.
There's entirely to much penetration involved. Not only are you to be aware of your target but what's beyond your target. Sure ball ammo can kill an intruder........as well as 2 other people and a wall and possibly whatevers on the other side.
If you are using ball ammo for personal carry, I would suggest either re- taking a critical defense class or if you have never taken one, please do.
Just my opinion but I believe EVERY person should take a mandatory handgun safety course and a critical defense class before being able to carry.

I'll take the guy that has succesfully passed countless hours of training in real life situations over the guy that has no formal training and has the attitude of "heck, I don't need any training. I been around guns my whole life".
My grandfather and father taught me gun safety and how to hunt. My classes taught me how to survive life and death situations and how not to be a statistic as well as my state laws and regulations.

 

The case just got pushed back again, I am a witness (no charges against me), the three guys are getting couple felony counts each.

 

That sucks. I know how it goes. I got mugged in Philly a couple years ago, went to court about 5 times for BS proceedings before the guy just plead guilty.

 

Well...while I like the idea of having to take a class to get a CCW, I live in an open carry state, so anyone who can buy a gun can carry it on their person with zero training....and not to mention all the "bad guys" carrying illegally who have zero classes or training. So what is the point in making the class mandatory? I think the responsible thing, for any person who owns a gun and for all the members in the household who may need to use the gun, to do is to take classes, know the laws and train with their firearms.
You can know all about your gun and be a great shot, but if you shoot someone and you are in the wrong you're going to be pretty sorry when you are the one sitting in jail. Everyone needs to know the law and practice "what-if" situations over and over, so when the situation comes up you know you are in the right.

 

How about this, geared more towards civilians....What kinds of situations are you willing to get involved in while carrying your weapon? Are you only going to protect yourself and your family? Your friends? A stranger? Someone not able to defend themselves and in need of help? Do you get involved or do you just call the cops?

 

I watched an Instructional video on this at my CCW class. the jist of it was( and i pretty much agree) dont just run into any situation just because you have a gun. If you see something going down Call the police/yell that your calling the police, because you can never know the full background of the situation, but if you do end up having to defend your life or someone else's all the better that you are armed.

Always the saying 'Rather be Judged by 12, than carried by 6"

 

I think it all depends.... How close are you to the 'threat'? Does the 'threat' know you're there? Could you eventually be involved in the 'threat' (without putting yourself there)?

What's considered 'close enough'? I think, if you're close enough to make a shot with 100% accuracy .....then, you're probably involved in or could be involved in the threat. Being on the outside of a situation - yet close enough to it to get involved, one wrong move or wrong decision could cost your life and the life of others around you.

It's a brain-phuck thinking about it..... I'd like to say... If I was close enough but not involved, the 'threat' is armed and capable of killing, that I wouldn't hesitate to protect a stranger. For me...'close enough' is pretty darn close.

At a minimum, if you see a threat/situation occuring and you're far enough away to be out of accuracy range....then I'd stay out of the situation, call 911/police. Stay at your current location gathering information about the situation and/or wait to assist the victom when the 'threat' is gone.

 

Good advice. Follow it.

 

I've got a question for you (unrelated to the above) - and was just curious to hear your perspective (as a police officer).

You pull me over for a basic traffic violation (speeding, light out or whatever).
I hand you my drivers license, registration, & my CC permit.

What's your initial thought?
I've read that it could go either way.... relief or high alert...??
At that point - what's your next step?

What's the etiquette that we should follow - from your perspective anyway?
And is there any laws/regulations that you are required to follow in a situation like that? Does it vary by state?

 

I spend a lot of time observing everything around me...because when the SHTF- knowing where others are, exits are, cover/concealment is- all of that is important.

I won't hesitate to step in if someone is imminently going to be harmed...but that can open a HUGE can of worms about "vigilante justice" and what not...so I'm not going to run into every fight and try to be the hero.
Call the cops...Make it known you are calling the cops...and keep yourself/your family safe.