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Creationism vs. Evolution

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by Agent475, Oct 28, 2008.

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Creationism vs. Evolution (Not Public)

  1. Creationism

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  2. Evolution

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  3. Lil 'O Both

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  4. Neither

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  1. Feb 1, 2011 at 12:32 PM
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    98tacoma27

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    Some stuff. Not a lot, just some.
    You could say that.
     
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  2. Feb 1, 2011 at 12:42 PM
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    Actually, evolution is the change in the frequency of alleles over time - as in from one generation to the next - and is a measurable fact.

    Extrapolating an overarching theory of the universe from this scientific fact is another matter entirely.
     
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  3. Feb 1, 2011 at 12:54 PM
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    So 99.985 % of biologists is not good enough for you? :)

    "Therefore, the 600 Darwin Dissenters signing the A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism represent about 0.054% of the estimated 1,108,100 biological and geological scientists in the US in 1999. In addition, a large fraction of the Darwin Dissenters have specialties unrelated to research on evolution; of the dissenters, three-quarters are not biologists.[145] Therefore, the roughly 150 biologist Darwin Dissenters represent about 0.0157% of the US biologists that existed in 1999."
    _ Wikipedia
     
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  4. Feb 1, 2011 at 12:57 PM
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    You mean 'Constantine?' But it wasn't him either. He simply told the Council of Nicea in 300 something CE to agree on something. Mark was written no sooner than 70 CE, the other gospels, particularly Luke and Matthew, borrowed from Mark as well as the alleged 'Q' document.

    The four versions of the gospel included in the canon are replete with inconsistencies and contradictions.
     
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  5. Feb 1, 2011 at 1:03 PM
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    I responded to the wrong quote by accident. Sorry.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OZ-T
    'You mean before Constantinople merged the gospels into one version?'


     
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  6. Feb 1, 2011 at 1:09 PM
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    Yes , Constantine was who my tired old memory banks were searching for , my bad .
     
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  7. Feb 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM
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    As long as it's called a "theory" It's not fact for me. Evolution is not a LAW of nature. Simply said, I have not seen enough to convince me otherwise. That said, the "theory" of Evolution does not in anyway discount Creation or the exixtance of intelligent design for me. On the contrary, Science’s in ability to find God’s works says more about the failings of science than it does about God. Science will never define God. Anyone who has felt the presence of God has all the proof they will ever need.
     
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    Define, "God".
     
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    Never forget man uses religion to control others. Constatine was no exception. He established the Church to control men and really IMO was not a true Christian as evidenced by the Arch of Constantine which has sacrifices to Apollo Hercules and other "Gods" of the time before Christ and curiously nothing referencing Christianity.
     
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  10. Feb 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM
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    I think Einstein said it best"

     
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  11. Feb 1, 2011 at 3:59 PM
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    So I spent a few hours last night listening to some of the most well known and recolonized name in evolution/atheism. I listened to Richard Dawkins, Andy Thompson, and Christopher Hitchens.

    I wish Richard Dawkins would spend less time making fun of God believing people and actually talk in detail about some of the knowledge he has on the subject of evolution. I did find a hand full of clips of him talking in depth about evolution though.
    What he discussed all looks like micro-evolution to me. The couple examples of skulls he showed you will never convince me they are anything more than three different, although possibly related animals.

    The first video below is of Andy Thompson at the 09 American Atheist convention.
    There are many interesting points covered in this speech. Many of them have been covered in this thread already.

    One I personally find interesting is the fact that we have a natural tendency to believe in a higher being. What amazes me is how this is presented to mean there can't be a God. I have already spoken on this (before I even knew atheist stance on the subject), and will post the page number of my comments after I make this post.
    *(Post 788, on page 40 of this thread. I should add that my comments there are rhetorical)

    The last lecture is by Chuck Missler. This guy uses nothing but pure math throughout this lecture, so be warned! He doesn't slam anyone, he just uses math, physics, and probability to look at the world around us, and the Bible.

    He is a little old school, so yeah its kinda like listening to a preacher at times, but he is damn smart, and rarely speaks out of scientific reason. I highly recommend watch.


    Combined in both clips, is 2 hours worth of lecture. If you are actually interested in learning both side of the subject, I recommend taking the time to watch both in their entirety.

    So here it is, Andy Thompson, 2009 American Atheist Convention, Atlanta Georgia.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg

    And here is Chuck Missler.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWdiQtp9LFo
     
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  12. Feb 1, 2011 at 4:05 PM
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    Seeing the third gen section forced me to get a Ford...
    i think he said it better......

    A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. (Albert Einstein, Religion and Science, New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930)

    I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbour such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms. (Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955)

    One strength of the Communist system ... is that it has some of the characteristics of a religion and inspires the emotions of a religion. (Albert Einstein, Out Of My Later Years, 1950)

    here's the best.....

    It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press)
     
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  13. Feb 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM
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    Some stuff. Not a lot, just some.
    I was referring more to the Gospel of Judah or the Gospel of Mary Magdalene. Your explanation makes sense though.
     
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    Some stuff. Not a lot, just some.
    When there is enough of them.
     
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    You can't see the arch of a taser in a vacuum because there are no electrons in a vacuum or because there are no gases to react?
     
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    You could also see them using the proper instruments.
     
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    Some stuff. Not a lot, just some.
    Yes. If there are no gases, there are no electrons.
     
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