2025 EV Tacoma thread.

For a Tacoma:
400,000 miles/18 mpg = 22,222.22 gallons x $4.00 gallon = $88,888,88. That's just for the gasoline!

400,000 miles at $5.00 per gallon is $111,111.11. That's a lot of dollars.

200,000 miles at $5/gallon is $55,555.55

And then there's the oil changes and other maintenance.

No thanks.
I'll take my chances on electric motors.

You can run an electric truck without gas, but you can't run a gas truck without electricity.

Many great grandpas didn't want to let go of the horse and buggy in 1903, but that didn't stop the progress with internal combustion engines.

More than a few gas engines also blow up before 100,000 miles, along with transmissions too.

 

So I guess you completely forget that charging a car takes electricity which is made by a company that will charge for said electricity? You think they're going to let all that money for gas and other items just go down the toilet huh? All this stuff will be taxed and regulated of course. It looks good now, but giving people shit for free isn't exactly what big corporations have in mind when it comes to EVs. Musk and Bezos and all the other corrupt greeds are really good at fooling people I guess.

Maintenance free EVs huh? What about all the other components that are going to wear out just as they do on a gas engine?

You can run an electric truck without gas until takes time to charge it, which takes quite a significant amount of time, not to mention, like said before, electricity doesn't come from clean energy 100% of the time, hell, not even 40% of the time. It's not free no matter how you look at it, my friend.

I doubt you knew what the hell your great grandparents wanted.

BTW, here's a breakdown of how electricity is created in the US. Looks like gas and coal will still be powering your "clean" energy machine well into the future. Not to mention the untold story of "clean" lithium mining.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php

 

400k miles in a Rivian would cost $17,200 at my current electricity rate. Obviously not free but a significant savings compared to the gas cost for my Tacoma. Charging time really doesn’t matter 90% of the time because it’s done at home while the truck sits in the driveway or garage. Not everyone wants an EV because it’s supposedly magic clean goodness that will save the planet either.

 

Lol this thread

 

I thought the same, but what happens when someone drops off a junk battery that doesn't hold a charge for more than an hour? How many batteries need to be stocked up at the "battery station" and how much space is required (I bet it is a bunch).... I think there are some serious issues with that idea that would be much better to overcome if they can figure out a fast charging system..... or batteries that hold double the charge they do now.

 

Myself and many others can charge for free at work. While that certainly wouldn’t be all my charging it would certainly be more than half. That’s not even accounting for the the fact that electricity is vastly cheaper than gas per mile driven.

EVs have far fewer parts and also tend to be easier on wear items like brake pads. There are certainly still maintenance items but again it’s far less.

Your power plant point is irrelevant. It’s much better to have a centralized source of electricity for cleaning up pollution. Let’s say a coal plant services 100,000 EVs. You can build a new power plant in 4-5 years and all of your power and transportation is “clean.” If you try to clean it up at the individual automotive level with it takes 10 years+ to replace all those cars and the cars pollute worse as they age and you would still have the cost of replacing the power plant anyway to clean that up.

 

I really think this EV revolution is happening because the auto companies see the advantage of the electric vehicle drivetrain as far as making more money goes. They will charge the customer for the change and there are way less parts needed for the drivetrain. Less stuff to make, inventory, and service. Since governments and car companies are kind of agreeing to doing this, the auto manufacturers have less risk in a car that currently has travel distance disadvantages.

The issue for me is range. They just don't have it and recharge time is way too long. I don't really commute with my taco, if I did, I could see an EV as a DD, but I live 1200 miles from family and I can't always fly. I need range. Also, off-roading, your range is going to suffer. Range keeps gasoline viable.

The big problem is that battery technology just isn't where it needs to be. It's good enough for around town. It's also cheaper than gas.

I think the overall environmental impact for "going green" is less than or equal to what we are already doing for gas. There are some studies that show this. All the "going green is terrible for the environment" videos you see are really just propaganda to support one side in a culture war or to support oil and gas.

The other part is power generation.... they have the same problem... Power Storage. If they ever figure out the battery problem, everything will be solar panels and wind turbines. It's a hard problem though.


Despite all of that, it looks like it's all going to EVs. We all probably should get comfortable with that.

 

Coal is going away. Companies that build power plants aren't even going to bid on new coal projects. I was working at a plant with two 750MW steam turbines with plenty of life in them. One is shut down permanently, the other will be in a couple of years.

People are scared of nuclear that's why you only have one plant being built in the US in the last 20-30 years.

Natural gas is good, but now they are exporting US natural gas around the world I think you will see a spike in prices in the future. I do think this will be the backbone for awhile, but I know the gas turbine boom ended maybe a decade ago and you aren't seeing near as many gas plants being built.

They are building renewables (partly because taxpayer subsidies), but if they ever figure out how to store the energy in an economic fashion, this will be they way. They already don't have to worry about weight like in an EV. There are a few companies working on batteries for this using pretty common materials. If you can store the energy, you won't even need as many power generation components because they can be constantly topping off the batteries when power is available.

 

With ya on this one. Until the infrastructure is there making recharging as convenient as refueling, it's hard to consider making a full gas-to-EV switch. Taking the commute fuel consumption out of the mix with the PHEV is the best option right now in my mind.

 

For those in the know, why hasn’t Toyota made a PHEV Tacoma? I would think it would sell well given our current mpg and torque issues.

 

No drivetrain changes until the next Generation in 2024.

 

The difference hybrid drive makes in the low end torque...I'd love it.

The PHEV is new even for the Rav4. I assumed this option would happen for the Tacoma long before full EV. Even with the recent EV lineup tease, I still think PHEV makes more sense.

 

$55,555 is cheap over 200,000 miles. That's like 12 years at ~17k miles per year. $4700 or so per year in gasoline costs.

Like someone else said, there are no EV trucks you can buy right now. But say you could buy an EV Tacoma today, I bet that would be what, 20k more to buy compared to gas one? To many people THAT is a lot of $$ that will prohibit them from buying one today. No one knows what the future will bring as far as costs of EVs and more importantly costs of electricity.

EV cars came out before gas cars in the 1800s. And horse and buggy always gets brought up, but horse and buggy to gas car is a huge change. Gas car to EV car is still a car just a different "engine".

 

I really was hoping hybrid would be the next phase in but regional directives are pushing that away. Unfortunate because toyota has been crushing the hybrid technology, and now are having to push full EV instead of a phase into hybrid, with a line gearing towards full EV in the next 2 decades.

 

What makes you think it would be 20K more? The Lightning is inline price wise with a similarly equipped gas F150.

 

The tech has been around a while, but some of the federal and state credits are drying up. So the incentive and pricing might be a bigger factor than demand or other things.

Also, You can’t totally blame Toyota when Tacomas are selling like hotcakes. From a purely profit perspective, which drives corporate thinking, the conservative move was to stay the course.

 

Quickly went through this latest EV thread. I read a few folks stating there currently aren't any EV trucks available. How about the Rivian R1T? Say what you will but it is a truck. And, while I'm well aware that not many have been delivered, non-Rivian employees did start receiving new R1T's late last year.

 

Are you sure? Here's Canadian pricing for the Lightning Lariat: Base price is $80k and then if you want the bigger range one, (not even approaching gas truck range) it's closer to $95k.

A Lariat 4x4 gas truck starts around $62k here. I realize Ford announced the "Pro" version in the States, but those are for commercial customers? The XLT Lightnings for example are still a lot more than gas ones and somewhat more expensive than the hybrid XLTs



Looking at Hyundai Kona, Gas one is around 22k base and EV is around 44k base, so exactly double

If we look at Toyota, the closest they have now is Rav4 PHEV and that SUV start around $40k in the USA whereas the gas one is high $20k. That's PHEV, not full EV.

 

Yeah, it's a shame Toyota has kind of been strong-armed into the EV race that they were on a steady track to reach in almost the same timeline anyway. Kind of similar to the death of green diesel thanks to VW cheating. I am fully on board for an EV future of cars and trucks, but I feel the direction things are headed is based on early investors and savvy marketers instead of user based research and engineering.

I'm really interested to see how much success Ford has with the Maverick especially the hybrid version. I like it because it is it brings back a modest pickup, and the fact that the more fuel efficient one is the cheaper model.

 

Since Toyota is the largest vehicle manufacturer in the world, I think they were focused on HEV's, PHEV's and Fuel Cell vehicles until the shell game started and Western interests forced their hand. I fully support any initiative that reduces our GHG, but I wholly recognize that those looking to make money are heavily influencing how this paradigm shift evolves. They'd simply make way less money if the world went fuel cell, BEV is unavoidable and they found a way to capitalize on it with infrastructure contracts, mining for raw materials, renewable power source construction, energy rate manipulation. It's still not a reason not to buy a BEV, just know what game is being played alongside the revolution.