2025 EV Tacoma thread.

The diesel gate was all of the German manufactures lying together. But, your right it ruined diesel forever.

 

Not sure on Canadian prices but you guys usually get screwed. I built xl, xlt and pro, xlt lighting. Price is pretty close when you get them somewhat optioned the same.

Pretty you sure also get a tax credit ($7500) that will make the lighting cheaper. Only options I put on the gas trucks were crew cab, 4wd and 2.7 ecoboost. Need to do that to make fair since that's only way lighting comes.

Same with your other examples you can't take some base ass model and say see the electric is more. It's not more because it's electric. It's because they know early adopters want more bells and whistles in general so they cars are more loaded up. And those some early adopters are in general willing to pay more to be on the newest trend. Easy cash maker for the company.

XL gas 44,045
Pro Lightning 41,669

XLT gas 47,690
XLT Lighting 54,669

With tax credit pro is cheaper and xlt a wash. However I think the extended range is a ripoff. As electric become more and more common prices will drop more. Electric drivetrains are much simpler than gas.

 

I wish they did that as a rebate instead of a tax credit as it would benefit lower income folks.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/california-facing-power-crisis-frets-over-electric-car-charging-routines-1602755?amp=1

Interesting scenario. Only about 8% of California drives EV cars, and already putting more strain on power grid during high temp times. How the hell are they gonna sustain even 50% EV use?

 

i work for a nuclear company and i agree that our electrical grid is no where ready for hundreds of thousands of EV's on the road, this is a pipe dream and until we can get our grid updated, EV's will not be viable for a long time, and with the cost of them, most people don't have 60-80k for a new one...at least not me..lol

 

Well the infrastructure bill is there to help the transition. Also you can get an EV for under $30k, Also, as of late 2021 there are 310,000 battery EVs not including plug in hybrid EVs. Then it goes up to 2.1 million. So that's over your hundreds of thousands stated. I heard of no brownouts or other grid malfunctions due to the multitude of charging EV's. Have you?

 

I highly recommend this video to those interested in learning more about EV's and their demand on existing power grids.

https://youtu.be/7dfyG6FXsUU

 

Very smart guy and great videos. This is the issue. People make a statement with no data to support it and convince themselves, or by other who never researched it, that the wrong data is the truth.

 

Agreed. He has some very in depth and informative videos. I've learned a great deal from this guy.

And, I find that so sad but I guess it's human nature. People don't like change or being told what they should do or how they should feel. It breeds fear which breeds ignorance. Knowledge is the only cure but it isn't effortless. It's simply easier to repeat whatever you happen to notice that supports your narrative.

 

EV that are under 30k aren’t really sought after. Most of the ones people want to buy are ungodly costly.
310k might seem like a lot. But when you have 290 million registered vehicles and a bunch more sitting on lots, driveways and what not that aren’t that’s not very many at all.

Will a EV cause a massive brown out or power outage? No. Have they cause localized outages? Absolutely. Not the vehicle it’s self but the extra load or installation or equipment failure. I’m an industrial electrician and my uncle and a few of my friends are lineman. You’d be surprised the things that can overload, short, or blow up a transformer.

Even that massive infrastructure bill isn’t gonna do much to get the supply that’s needed for everyone to convert to EV’s. Without getting political, It’s like anything else the government. Most of the funds will be misused, jobs overpriced, and delayed which cost more money. I’m sure there will be some type of litigation involved and it just eats more time and money. In the end that will do very little in the large scale of things. Especially since most of that money is dedicated elsewhere.

 

I think the perception is that the Govt. on a certain year is going to take your ICE car away. But even if a no sale of ICE goes into effect the ICE vehicles owned can still have their cars fixed, engines rebuilt, Etc. to keep them going. Gas stations won't close down, and the earth will still spin.

 

Well the statement was that they are all $60k and above. Also, this isn't a flick of a switch to 290 million cars, that's just misleading. Also if electrical equipment is failing because of charging cars then that's bad engineering not the cars fault. The infrastructure legislation is just the start, it's not to solve the upcoming EV increase in one bill.

 

You’re right there are cheaper options certainly. I’d like to think as time proceeds the price and costs will come down. However I don’t really see that being true. The price of new vehicles usually never decreases. And as more and more tech from the factory is being installed, along with gov regulations. The price will only continue to raise.

You’re right, an EV switch isn’t going to happen overnight. Wouldn’t and couldn’t for many reason.

The grid, electrical equipment, electronics, all are susceptible to failures. There’s a ton of reasons things can go bad, and sometimes just do. I’m sure some engineer could determine the cause to be something like hysteresis or Eddie currents or something else. Shit just happens.

Perhaps an even bigger problem than updating the grid is going to be people upgrading the service in their homes.

 

Smoked it!

https://youtu.be/mkhPNFHkBes

 

Big penis wins!!

 

The R1T is a big penis? LOL

 

Well the owner..lol, no need to lift it or put on big tires to overcompensate.

 

Anything that draws power is “more,” I suppose. The example you cite became a huge talking point but doesn’t really show anything.

Yes, there were days in the summer when the state said to try to use hi-draw electric equipment in off-peak hours. The state didn’t mention electric cars or say they were adding to the problem. Click the hyperlink in the Newsweek magazine article you referenced, and you’ll see the actual flex alert.

“Lots of people are talking about it” does not mean “it’s a thing.” Yes, the grid was taxed during that period. Yes, the grid will need updating the same as anything else.

No, most people won’t charge their cars between 2 and 7pm in the evening at peak hours because that’s when the rates are the highest.

 

Trucks are always phalluses. See Lacan.

 

Oh, trust me. I know. I wouldn't describe myself as a truck guy and after having been on this and the Tundra forum for just a few months they are phalluses, for sure. Wow!