2025 EV Tacoma thread.

Yeah he stopped at Electrify America, l think the purpose of that particular video was to show what a road trip would be like as he also mentioned something about charging it at home also.

 

Ah k, yeh that seems expensive. $26 for 160 miles. Home would be less than half.

 

Indeed it would. Its a pretty good video even though its mostly just data.

 

Looks like these charger companies are doing a typical 300% markup. That doesn't help adoption. I see price regulation coming to these charging station companies.

You have a link to that vid?

 

I am on my phone currently and unfortunately dont know how to link it, but it was the newest one on TFL's EV Channel.

 

Lots of hate and missinformation and just plain old man ignorance going on in here. I guarantee 99.9% of you bitching and crying about power and range have never even driven an EV no less owned them. Since I like technology and not AFRAID of change I drive everything i can get my hands on. I've owned EV's and hybrids in the past and driven the tesla's and if an EV tacoma was in production I'd be first in line. You can't compete with an electric motor with a gas engine. As for range I never had issues, currently there is always a place to charge and soon will be just as many charging stations as gas stations. The time to charge will also drop with new tech coming out soon. I'd like to know what tacoma you own that gets over 350 miles on a tank of gas? You have to fill it up someplace and there will be other people there too. So either way you have to go to a place to add your choice of fuel. There should be a block for people who just don't know shit. In 10 years the gas car will look like a locomotive.

 

https://youtu.be/euXkPW-1-No

 

Well they are misinformed or just plain making things up. It's always been my theory that those that complaints about EV range having not owned an EV or after they bought one just don't know how to add or subtract. So much info out there and in no way are EVs for everyone but plenty of pre purchase info out there.

 

Grazie!

 

You can get over 400 miles per tank on these trucks.

 

Not hard? What do you think it will cost per spot? How do you ensure that the charging costs for each spot goes to the correct vehicle/owner? 40 miles? Hell, I used to do double that one way. Last job was 40-60 miles depending on traffic.

There are a lot more details to this than you currently imagine.

Doable? Sure. There is a lot of cost associated with it. I think eventually we'll go there, but I'm just saying it's not as simple as you are making it out to be.

 

I can agree with that. 10 minutes for 400 miles? Yeah. I can see that.

I do think that's a high mark though. We'll probably get there, but we got a long way to get there. I think it's just asking a lot of current battery tech.

 

Coal and Renewables are about 20% each of the market. Nuclear about 20% Natural Gas is about 40%.

 

I don't think so. A ICE car is about 30% efficient. A combined cycle gas plant is about 60% efficient. ICE automobiles are a separate part of the pollution problem.

You don't really need both to make a significant improvement.

That being said, I think the battery problem for renewable power plants is an easier problem since you don't need to worry about size and weight constraints like with an automobile.

 

And yet there are still locomotives in use today. The difference is I can easily refill my gas tank in a few minutes and make 800 miles in a day. The fact is that it takes hours more to do that in an EV.

Camping and off roading for a few days? EV won't be able to keep up. A 5 gallon gas can is easier than a diesel powered charging station.
Heat or AC? that reduces range too right?


I can see EV for a commuter. When they figure out the battery problem, it'll be king. It's definitely cheaper to run than gas.

I'm not afraid of it, the tech and infrastructure just isn't there yet.

 

It's good to look at the bigger picture sometimes and remember how far EV's have come in just 25 years since the GM EV1 was built. The Nissan Leaf is 12 years old and the Model S is 10 years old this year. Now almost every manufacturer is making some form of an EV or has something in the works. I am confident in another 10 years most of the problems/concerns people have today with EV's will be addressed or improved (although there will probably be a new list with different problems)

It's funny (and sad) to see how quickly the positive energy that EV's have get hijacked by something like a dude that blew up his Tesla because it makes for good viral content.

 

My point here is I am suspicious of the driving force behind EV's. It seems to me while there are some benefits in day to day emissions, the outcome spread over the entire lifecycle vs an existing ICE is up for debate. Of course, they would keep making ICE cars if they couldn't make EV's anyway, so the question becomes total lifecycle emissions of each design. Consumerism seems to be the most obvious motivator. I don't expect car companies to make cars that last 200 years, since they'd go out of business, and I have no opinion on consumerism in general. I would absolutely like to see harmful emissions reduced, and we know cars have a part in that when you consider the effect catalytic converters had once they became standard. It's just odd to me to see people doing backflips about how they are saving the planet because they don't use gas while they have no concept of cradle to grave emissions, and this is what sells them to a lot of people. The effect a mass switch to EV's would have on the infrastructure is of course up for debate as well.

In all, I hope EV's continue to develop and improve all around. I just don't think the rush to switch is justified and for me personally, if having any new car means an algorithm decides if I get to drive and leaves a back door for third parties to control my vehicle, I'm out altogether. I'll be rebuilding my Taco for 50 years then having it retrofit with electric motors once gas is obsolete or unavailable.

I'd like to be dependent on as few systems and as little infrastructure as reasonably possible. An EV is a step in the right direction in that sense if I could get my own solar/wind power generation in place, and they should need fewer replacement parts to keep them running. I'll never be able to make my own gas, oil filters or spark plugs.

 

To be fair gas is a little over $7 a gallon in Germany right now too.

 

Watch this, it gives answers and data to the debate.

https://youtu.be/L2IKCdnzl5k

 

I share some of your concerns. That said, I highly recommend these two videos because they may help alleviate some concerns you've raised.

That said, whether EV's are beneficial for the planet or not, someone will always attempt to discover, exploit then reap the financial rewards of a paradigm shift. However, this does not invalidate the necessity for the shift in the first place.

https://youtu.be/L2IKCdnzl5k

https://youtu.be/7dfyG6FXsUU