2025 EV Tacoma thread.

Your calcs are off a bit. Using 2.1 kWh/mile a 100 mile trip in a Rivian would consume ~ 47.6 kWh (actually a bit more due to charging inefficiencies). At $0.41/kWh that would cost $19.42 or about 19.4 cents per mile. My Tacoma gets 21 MPG so doing that 100 mile trip would take 4.7 gallons and at ~3.50 per gallon (it is cheaper than that here) would cost $16.66 for the trip or about 16.7 cents per mile. Now for a better comparison the Rivian should be compared to a full size truck where fuel costs would be about a wash. But numbers of stops and fill up wait times would be hugely in favor of the gas truck.

So the gas truck wins on the road... but around town where you can charge at home for about 1/3 the cost of those commercial chargers you'd pay only about $7.00 for 100 miles in a Rivian.

 

Hard to do that with a boat or travel trailer. And towing capacity is waaaayyy more than payload capacity.

 

TFL also tested the Model X with a tear drop, so I'm happy they did that comparison. If I recall they had to abort that multi-state test because they couldn't get enough range. The 8k pounds is typically what they test with a full size truck, and the R1T is rated to tow like a half ton so they towed the appropriate amount of weight with it. Would've been good if they did 5500 pound trailer like they do for the mid-size trucks.

 

Fortunately most Americans do. If I recall, the average is 40 miles per day.

That said, while I support initiatives that reduce our collective carbon footprint, we live in a capitalist, free market society. So, we will absolutely end up paying the 'man'. Governments will not accept a reduction in tax revenue. Neither will for-profit corporations. Therefore, I feel that adopting to BEV for financial reasons in the long term is a fools game. The ownership and operating costs will converge at some point in the future. However, if we continue to demand renewable energy sources, greener supply chains and reuse and recycling of post consumer materials then we will all benefit from this paradigm shift. Afterall, if I recall, transportation is the largest contributor to GHG and personal vehicle transportation is the largest segment within that transportation sector. We all just need to drive less.

 

As I stated earlier, the Rivian R1T is rated to tow a maximum 11,000 lbs via the J2807 testing protocol.

 

That is an illusion. There are soooo many examples to show that corporate leverage, political backscratching, and back room deals result in monopolies and other situations that cost society far more due to inflated costs than any tax. Unless sanity prevails this will be another one of those.

 

If you're referring to me, I figured that 1600 lbs would be more than enough for our heaviest use case. Unfortunately it's not easy to find an actual R1T or 4WD 2022 Tundra spec'd out with over 1500.

 

I recall seeing a chart somewhere that had electricity generation the highest, then the transportation of goods and services, and finally personal transportation last.

 

I did some math on this exact problem and basically confirmed that you still save a lot of money. Using the best charging network, Electrify America, and paying for their membership ($4/month) you get a DC fast charge rate of $0.31/kWh. Using my assumptions on my driving habits, MPG, and gas prices this is what I calculated:



However, you said you pay $3.50 a gallon and get 20 mpg:



The savings are still there, especially when you charge at home for 1/2 your miles, but it's not as extreme than with a smaller, more efficient EV.

 

My recollection was incorrect. Thank you! Transport isn't the largest segment, but Road Transport is the largest sub-segment.

https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector#energy-electricity-heat-and-transport-73-2

 

Also, if you choose PG&E's EV-B rate plan you can get your rate as low as $0.16/kWh for certain hours. That would save me another $180/year. Additionally, I get free charging at work so if I ever start commuting again, my savings would jump by a lot...

 

The travel trailer could be a container, and the boat could fit in the container. I see payload would still be a problem.

For efficiency the tow vehicle could be smaller and lighter, like an electric yard shifter tractor.


Speaking of payload VS towing capacity. The Tacozilla SEMA TacomaRV would have been more efficent if the builder hitched up a travel trailer to a 3rd gen.

 

Whats been the consensus here about electric trucks/suvs?

Im too lazy to read 20+ pages. My opinion, unless your truck lives in the city, it doesn't make much sense to buy an all electric truck. Not especially if you go camping and can't get to a charging station easily.

all In cool looking tacoma, except for the "grill".

 

Price, range, and charging infrastructure for your needs must be thought out in current EV tech. AS time goes on, range and charging spots will increase. Price may decrease slightly over time. Basically do a lot of your own research before buying. Current EV's are not just city vehicles and that has been proven in this thread and reviews around the globe.

 

Makes sense. Pretty much my thoughts.

As a city commuter, I'm on board with EV. But not for everyone all at once. Not sure the current infrastructure can support the majority charging EV's on top of all the other power consumption needs on a daily basis. For a fun off the grid type vehicle, I don't think I would bite....at least bit yet.

 

I usually avoid tesla super chargers due to them being the most expensive and also not the best for your battery to charge that fast , all the time (once in while is ok I’m sure). I seek out the free Volta chargers around malls and such and just deal with the 6kw rate for 2 hours , Gets like 10% charge for free , in my M3P.
We have home solar here in SD , which easily covers the cars 13kwh we use per day . Even during winter sunshine we make 18-25kwh a day (including the cloudy winter days) . Summer we are 30-50kwh a day solar production. Easily enough I’d say for an ev. And I only have 20 panels.

 

I'm thinking there are going to be places in American cities, where no one will be willing to build a charging station, and if they built a charging station. People would not be willing to go there and charge.

 

Different starting assumptions, but for 'around town' I'm getting 96 MPGe vs only 71 in the R1T ... Heck, the Prius Prime gets 133 MPGe.

 

how do you know?