2025 EV Tacoma thread.

Until they need a car or they're worried about high fuel costs.

 

People usually do pay more interest to vehicles when they need a new one. I don't know if they do when they are woried about fuel prices. I have never been part of, or over heard a MPG discussion in person. I doubt if most people care about MPGs, even when the increase of fuel prices become a national discussion, as that has become a popular topic with in the past few weeks.

I can't recall knowing anyone who bought a new vehicle due to the increase of fuel prices VS what kind of milage their current vehicle gets. I think that is as much of an urban legend as bigfoot.

I have seen for profit businesses switch from diesel to gas, but that wasn't due to the cost of fuel. That was because it was cheaper to operate the gas trucks over the cost of operating the diesel units. Due to maintenance including oil changes, and the associated problems that the DEF system causes.

When the price of fuel goes up. I believe less people are likely to purchase a new vehicle due to the price of everything going up. There aren't too many people who believe spending money now, or taking on more debt will save them money in the long run.

 

People definitely think about fuel milage when they buy a car or are in a market for a new car. Those that don't can afford to not think about it. I certainly do and know others that do.

 

True, but how many of those people want an EV over a vehicle that gets good gas mileage?

I find that the cheaper someone is, or the less disposable income they have. The less likely they are to consider an EV. Especially as a way to save money.

The EV buyer of today isn't buying an EV to save money. There is more up front costs to purchasing an EV compared to an ice.

 

They really aren't that expensive if you aren't going for the highest luxury or performance. A RWD Model 3 (after tax incentives) is the same price as a Camry optioned to similar interior comforts. A Nissan Leaf can actually be had for less than a Corolla hatchback after tax incentives.

 

The CEO's of Ford and GM are the crusty ol ages of 59 and 60. Plus you can get Ford and GM electric vehicles and Stelantis started hybrid Jeeps so progress is on the way.

 

Well EVs get a gas mileage equivalent of typically more than an ICE, also if, for example and by personal experience, you spend less than half in electric a month than gas a month that's a definite money savings. Also, as stated a nissan leaf can be had for under $30k before tax and other incentives. Also, an up front cost to an EV is installing a home charger but the savings in gas will pay for that in less than 2 years possibly.

 

The Tesla Model Y gets the equivalent of 125 mpg, running on a "fuel" that is cheaper than gas. I've had mine for about about a month now and according to the the car's app, to go 940 miles I've spent $38 on electricity. In my Tacoma, that gets 18 mpg, it would have cost $172 @$3.30/gallon. So for me, using round numbers that's $130/month fuel savings * 12 months = $1,560/year savings alone in fuel costs alone. That said, I didn't buy the Tesla to save money. I'm an early adopter of technology and I wanted to learn for myself what all the hype was about. However, I'm very glad that the cost to run an EV is low because holy shit that damn thing goes like a scalded ape. I never miss an opportunity to give it the juice, it's just too much fun.

I did install a home charger, but it really wasn't necessary for me. With work at home, a Level 1, 120V 15 amp, circuit was more than good enough to keep the car charged. Even if I had to commute to the office Level 1 would still have been good enough. However, I still installed the 240V 50 amp outlet because, well, not everything in my life is about money and sometimes I just like nice stuff. Besides at $500 installed, the 240V outlet wasn't that expensive. Another thing that I think is over blown is the comment "people that live in apartments CaN't have EVs, iT's ToO iNcONveNieNt". An apartment dwelling coworker drives a Tesla and he just Supercharges it once a week for 30 minutes while he's at lunch. He's going to eat, he's going to drive to lunch, the Supercharger is 10 minutes from the office and there are 10 different places to eat within walking distance.

Everyone's circumstances are different, but owning an EV isn't as hard as some make it out to be.

 

I live in one of those states that "block" non-dealership vehicle sales. Buying my Tesla was the best, easiest, least frustrating car purchase ever. I went online, a few clicks, a deposit, and the car was ordered. I decided I wanted to do a test drive, so again, online, a few clicks, and the test drive was scheduled. At the test drive time, the Tesla guy showed me a few things about the car and said, "see you in 30 minutes." On delivery day I signed some papers giving Tesla the ability to register the car, walked around it looking for problems (found 2 minor ones) and drove off the lot. So simple, so easy. Oh, and between when I ordered the car and took delivery Tesla raised the price several times. The price on the window sticker was more than I paid for the car including tax and license. But, they honored the original price, no arguments, no talking to the manager, nothing.

If that is blocking sales, I will take it 10 times out of 10.

 

FF to the 24 min mark

https://youtu.be/64QhmrNUvc8

 

Thanks for the facts. Others seem to guess without them and pawn them as fact. Thus they completely make up what they want to hear just to troll it seems.

 

That's just amazing. and on stock tires.

 

My Rav4 gets 25% less than your Y. (96 vs 125).

It's also @#$% fast off the line.

Only difference is I tote around extra ICE equipment instead of unused battery pack. Oh, and it'll likely last 20 years since the manufacturer doesn't skimp on shit.

 

*some facts.

Man, that brakeover angle makes me wince. As does the lack of flex. 4 motor is pretty awesome though.

 

I think that's why most people but Teslas. They like the tech, and the fact they are driving something that runs on a different fuel other than petroleum.

Personally I like being able to fuel my vehicle in three minutes with out having to stop and eat lunch, or go shopping at Target.

I have never been to Brooklyn NY, but that probably wouldn't be a convenient place to operate an EV.

 

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Of course people buy them exactly because it doesn't run on petrol. EVs are nothing but tech. Cant get away from that in any EV brand.

There are 215 Charge hub stations in Brooklyn, not including Tesla chargers, EVgo, or Charge America stations. Is that what you mean by not convenient to have an EV in Brooklyn?

 

I think tech is the biggest selling point for EVs. I don't like a lot of tech in vehicles, but that's what would appeal to myself about an EV, if that is what motivated me to buy vehicles.

Operating a diesel Suburban would probably be inconvenient in Brooklyn. I don't think that is a vehicle friendly place to live. Even with an abundance of available charging stations. Just building charging stations won't make owning an EV that you have to plug in to charge convenient.

Charging is the EVs biggest hurdle. I have not heard of a great way to over come that hurdle.

I saw some Teslas driving around on some NASA spaceX plug. You'd think there would be away to make charging more convenient for everyone.

 

Charging stations and charge time are increasing and decreasing. Impatience and lack of info on current charge times are still being worked on. Yes it's longer to charge than to fuel a gas car. If that's currently too long they shouldn't buy an EV yet. Pretty simple.

 

Exactly!

EVs often are toted as a on size fits all solution. Which simply isn't the case.

 

Well an educated consumer is key. Too much guessing by the uninformed haters out there and in this thread.