4th Gen Tacoma EV revealed in Japan

MG1 and MG2 can be driven together with the engine off for a total of about 179 hp. MGR is 67HP, so you're closer to 200hp in EV mode.

You cannot run the engine and MG1 (when the engine is on MG1 acts to change the gear ratio) but with MG2 and the engine going it'll get up to about 240hp or so (and make lots of noise doing it).


https://pressroom.toyota.com/the-2022-toyota-prius-prime-ev-hybrid-harmony/

(the R4p uses the same one way clutch).

Anyway, it's a neat, super reliable setup and makes a ton of power.

 

I’m sorry , you’re probably right . I know at this point im past reasoning and logic. I’m hopeless obsessed with pure EVs (particularly anything tesla). I’m aware of my disorder.
But you can’t blame me . I mean , any one of you guys can order a model 3 / Y for the price of a decent bmw 3 series or tundra , and proceed to enter hyperspace with near 500 hp / 500 ft lbs TQ . Also unlike the phev Toyotas you mentioned there is no worry about oil change and anything else from the past . You don’t even have to worry about all them knobs and switches and BS cluttered buttons inside ur car . Just jam that little charger in the hole now and then , and car go fast fast .
And when they make you download the app that makes everything all easy and stress free you don’t mind all the money leaving ur bank account for insurance and car payments .

This one time I was tired and didn’t want to drive home through traffic so I let the car do it for me . I was happy.

 

You /are/ aware it's still only a level 2 ADAS at this point and you need to be monitoring the system and take over at any moment, right? I mean TSS 2.0 is decent for stop-and-go too, but you're always the driver.

Maybe for the M3P - M3 standard LR is 283/330, Dual is 346/376, and only the P is 450/471.

Um. Gonna remind you you still have tires, brake pads, and 100k or so you'll need to do gearbox fluids. Also don't forget the occasional wiper and windshield fluid...

And don't get me started on Tesla build quality and service and support.

Pretty much.

 

Excellent points .

Oh no, please go on about the build quality. I’m curious because when I went to go pick up my model 3 (in real life) I was inspecting all the gaps and what have you, because I also heard the legends. Luckily so far so good nothing too bad. I even took off the tires and checked out the suspension bolts and everything. Again, because the internet urban legends claimed "cars were being delivered without suspension bolts" (so they claimed) . but everything looks pretty good. One point though, the wheels were only torqued down to 70-90 foot pounds on three of the tires for some reason. Only the passenger wheel was 129 ft*lbs. Then again, who knows how accurate the break loose force actually is on my torque wrench.



other than that, the interior is flawless . also driving light speed is fun , and then just plugging it in like a toaster each night. kind of cool i guess.


now... my 2018 Toyota Tacoma on the other hand. yikes , talk about shit build quality. So far:

-fuel pump (recall)
-leaking rear break light (recall)
-coolant reservoir hose leak at 100 miles (dealer fix).
-the entire hood and roof paint pealed off in the 1st year (brand new truck, Mexico built) . Toyota put a new hood and roof on with a new paint job. But that was only after one year of fighting Toyota corp, and the dealership till they admitted it was a factory defect.

I also don't like how I have to keep changing the oil, and adding gasoline. Another bummer is remembering to turn on the starter in order to get the boom boom cycle going . just like a choo choo train.
For some reason too, the engines rpm goes all over the place at different speeds and loads. Kind of annoying "shifting" through a transmission to get the power you need. You know? I think I've seen 1 or a 1,000 threads talking about the issues in general with having a transmission.


...but any ways, back to the points. Let us know how bad your EV was, and how much you hate using the autopilot feature so far.

 

no regen breaks on your EV then? yeah , I can probably go 4 weeks or longer without using the actual pads at all (so regen only).

In fact , this is a problem for some Tesla owners. they use the actual break pads so infrequently, that the pads might not have had a chance to wear into the rotors and "bed in" the break material. It's a known issue . Tesla new car owners are encouraged to use the real break pads at first for a few good stops to get the new pad to bed into the rotors . of course after that we might go months with out using the break pads...( depending on how good or bad you know how to drive).



any other comments or concerns ?

 

Speaking of Teslas, for some rearson the model Y reminds me of the car the guy fron the Garfield cartoon drives.

 

Plenty of regen but the final bits needs a brake pedal to be pushed.

lol yes - you didn't say anything when the L2 adas you're relying on almost kills a bicyclist or other 'I'm letting the computer do it's thing' while it's all YOUR fault if it ducks up incidents occur.

You can let a third party arbiter do the talking.

 

people thought there were many down sides to electric as well...

 

Anyone who spends much time riding a subway will be impressed by EV potential. Unfortunately the energy density of a gallon of gasoline makes today’s batteries look pretty weak. So, our debate has nothing to do with the EVs potential, it has to do with living with it without a cord. That’s where the plug in hybrid comes in with a short 50 mile range, well within the daily commuting distance of a majority of Americans without giving into to range anxiety of today’s weak batteries. When heat is a by product of an inefficient ICE engine, it’s an advantage when you have to deposit the trash two miles out to the end of our road in 2 degree F weather this morning. My 2015 Taco with. 4 L gas hog is welcome compared to any EV.

Supposily solid state batteries are just a couple years away. 500 mile range, light weight and 12 minute charge times will make an EV desirable to every family. Even if they also have to run a heat pump.

 

Heat pump pre-warming does the job well enough, tbh. As long as it's not high centered my R4P can likely do that trash run without turning on the ICE (assuming trash was on a little flatbed or something)

 

I’d be interested in an EV retro fit for my GEN two.

 

Something like this? https://electricgt.com/mission/

oooh they have a ih8mud build thread..

https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/electric-tlc-fj-40-build.1040022/

 

I’m not an electrical engineer, nor am i a mechanical engineer, but i’d be concerned with things like (i’m not sure if it would be called parasitic loss?) the Electrical motor having to run through mechanical transmissions and gear reduction devices. Wouldn’t you be much more efficient direct driving the front cv’s and rear axles with motors?

 

Yes there's some transmission losses associated. It's really a question of how much you want to resto vs mod, plus the drivetrain they're putting in only puts out about 140hp so the gearing helps. Remember the OG engine only put out 128hp. You'll likely not need to put it into low range though

 

Not here in mid winter where the morning temps can be anywhere from single numbers to minus 15 F. My home heat pumps produce heat at these temps down to the teens and then have to use way too much electricity to be impactful. Might as well install a propane heater. It will be a while before anything but hybrids become a true four season auto in dead of winter. My nighbor has a Teslar. He uses it only selectively in winter.

I was under the impression that in real cold weather, the gas engine of the R4P would run early and often if electric was insufficient.

 

Yup, the threshold is about 10 or so though (or if you're cranking hard on the EV mode before the battery gets to warm up and you don't pre-condition it)

Nice thing though, is that it'll fire up the ICE just enough to get things warm and then go back to EV.

 

Damn son. Someone really got their EV feelings hurt and went into defensive mode. There's probably an ointment that'll help.

 

Me?

Lol I like saving money in town. I have zero problem with burning fuel as required.

 

I’m gonna fill out a butt hurt report just for reading these comments and haven’t even been part of the discussion.