Wyoming B.S. Thread

Lol I couldn’t write that with a straight face. Always wanted a 1st gen, maybe one day.

 

Edit added to the post. Clearly sarcasm was ill received

 

President Zelensky when US offers an escape "I need ammunition, not a ride". Chilling.

 

Chilling how? (just not sure I follow what you mean by that sentence or if you're drawing a conclusion/judgement)

 

The man's gonna stand and fight with his countrymen, he doesn't want asylum he wants real support.

 

He knows he is target #1 and has routes to escape but refuses. He is seen on the streets to defend the capital. Seeing a man ready to die and speak it too is chilling. It is something you would never see from the leadership here.

 

Gotcha. I agree with his statement, and I hope we send what we can. The reason I asked was b/c I wasn't sure about your positioning on the situation after a couple of your comments last night (though, I guess your position could be anything, while still finding this chilling, and that's fine)

As for whether we'd see it from our leadership, I don't know. Short of the Revolutionary war and Civil war - both of which had our leaders "standing their ground" - our leadership has never been put in this position. Certainly, you wouldn't see it from many of our citizens though, which is a bit of a bummer. I hope it never occurs, but I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if war actually came to North America.

 

This was what got me:

It's pro Ukraine, but (I also understood it to say) not to the point of anyone helping them ("others getting involved...lesser of two evils"), which to me isn't very strong support.

Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant. It's why I kept pressing the issue.

I also don't think you should worry about threading the needle. Say what you think. If it's what you believe and you get banned for it, at least you said what you believed rather than shying away from yourself. My opinion at least.

 

So you believe that the US should get involved and risk a nuclear war? That is far more flat earth end of the spectrum than i would expect from you.

That last paragraph is easy to say for you. Log off for 30 days straight. Tell me it doesnt impact your communication with friends, and foe. Im feeling spicy tonight Dan, I know. You got me fired up with your comment, you win

 

I've always been one to stand up to bullies. It's why I asked the questions I did on the thread. All we really have to go on are our answers to those questions, which were:

1. Was it right to stand up in WWII? (Yes, I think it was.)
2. Are we really not willing to (ever) stand up to another nuclear power? (If not, then aren't we destined to become part of that regime, because we'll never stand up?)

We deal with these types of questions all the time on smaller scales in our own lives, and I've personally had to make several decisions to either stand by, or stand up. I've felt good every time I've stood up.

Is it right to stand up in this situation, right now? I don't know for sure, and I'd definitely want to exhaust all other options that I felt like had a chance of success (within reason of time), but saying "we never will" (what I felt like you were saying) doesn't seem right to me either.


As for the 30 day sign-off...I get that it wasn't fun, and it is easy for me to say. I'd like to think it'd be easy for me to do - a relief even, since I'm quite the introvert and it's a lot of work (tiring, even) for me to do the "social" thing - but who knows, really. I don't ever mean it to be a win/lose thing with us; I want us to be able to be honest with each other even if we don't agree, and still be friends (stronger, perhaps). I really was just surprised at where I felt like you were standing on the issue.

 

The problem is whoever shouts loudest now controls the narrative. If one based their opinion on what they see in the media, either right or left leaning, they see a country with no identity. The reality is, having traveled all over this country, there is no shortage of people willing to take up arms to defend this country and it crosses all descriptors that could be used to divide us. In my personal observation most people find the ability to live life on their own terms more precious than the mere ability to continue sucking oxygen. The Media is mostly comprised of the those that have never experienced any true adversity in their lives and the average American is way more nuanced and balanced than they want you to believe. If the shit ever hits the fan, greater than 50% of the population will take up arms and thanks to 2A, we still have them.

 

I think I'm with you an "in the range of 50%" number, but I'd wish it were closer to 80-90% (of fighting age, obviously). Similar problem that we have to voting, I suppose.

I don't know that 2A needs to matter - like in Ukraine, the government could distribute weapons if it came down to it - but 2As an entirely different "argument" with its own set of nuances.

 

Although I was happy to hear they passed out guns to the civilians I not sure it's going to really help. Not from the perspective of guns don't help, but more "oh shit, theres 2 min left in the 4th qtr, here you go" with no training or experience seems like a last act of desperation.

 

I think if something like this happened it would be shocking the amount of people here that would about face and fight. Half the people here are just waiting and hoping for that excuse anyways haha

Yeah I agree. Same logic I think applies to guns vs bears. Unless your training with it a lot. Not going to help that much in the 2 seconds you'll need it.


On the flip side. Look what people did in the middle east to Russia and us in wars. Weren't really trained either.

 

Desperation can go a long way when you're fighting in the streets to defend your country. The key is being able to field a resistance (which is more than just shooters) large enough and long enough to make a difference, since it's so hard for a traditional military (which both Russia and the US still operate with) to defend against that type of opposition. The US has run into that several times in our lifetime, and I can't say it's ever turned out well (for either side, obviously).

Besides just the specifics of what's happening inside Ukrainian borders, I'll be interested to see what happens with things like the Nord Stream 2 and other "sanctions." I feel like we're already seeing some stuff that's sort of messed up with how they are being implemented - like, no high-tech sales into Russia, but oh, iPhones are OK? I mean, seriously? Turn all that crap "off," IMO. Sure, it'll hurt the bottom line of some of our large tech companies (which in turn hits the stock market), but that feels like part of the price you pay in order to show support for how to be a citizen of Earth.

Anyway, we should probably get back to talking about trucks.

I hope you're right, and that it wouldn't be akin to voting. Bring our country together a bit if we were all working together towards the same goal. (not that this is the ideal way to do that)

 

My estimate is based on the entire population, let’s say 150 million people. You know your crazy redneck neighbor, the one with 40 black rifles in his safe, the one who’s 6 year old daughter shoots 4” groups at 200yds? In the flyover states he’s the rule, not the exception. I think statistics say there are ~400 million privately owned firearms in the U.S. for a population of ~360 million. Plus whatever the government happens to have. Going back to the fall of Japan in WW2, the only way to defeat us is nuke us, but that inevitably leads to the end of the world. So I’d say 2A has been a pretty big part of the mostly safe life we’ve all lived, not to say there aren’t tragedies, but that also ties to my first point about the media, if you’ve never had real tragedy in your own life, you can only traffic in other peoples . I’ll accept the inherent risk in being free.

 

I'm not discrediting the will to fight and use of gorilla tactics (Nam, afghanistan) obviously are proof. I don't know all the deets of Ukrainian politics and their citizens rights. It just seems like better policy to let your citizens have responsibility of guns in times of peace so times like now when you are calling on them to fight they will be better prepared. Maybe they did training for them in the weeks leading up who knows

 

Has anyone cleaned their power steering reservoir screen/filter? I did a power flush and cleaned the screen today. An interesting effort. Even though the fluid was black, the screen was not totally clogged.

 

Well considering our country has literally spent 93% of it's existence at war it was a very strong unifying thing.

Now I think people are for the most part way over it. And with globalization of the world in the last 30+50 years war is not the same really especially when multiple first world countries are involved.

If only people realized how much money is wasted on military actions instead of just helping everyone everywhere. But now I'm dreaming haha