2025 EV Tacoma thread.

Yeah, 'free' is just a subsidy from someone else, or pre-paid with the purchase price (the early S and X buyers).

Right? At double the price, that pays for a shitton of gas.

Not shown by real life reliability numbers. And most people use 50 miles or so of range a day. Extra 250 miles of battery, or extra genset, nbd.

The yota ecvt system has been the most reliable thing in the States for a decade now.

As for the rest, dude, lay off your religion.

 

I don't hate it?

 

I'm down for an electric taco. Only reason I don't have a tesla is they can't go where my tacoma can go and they have a really shitty build quality

 

It’s an extra medium sized truck…

 

Lol!

 

I like the EV tech from a performance mechanical view, but mang saving the planet ain’t cheap! Makes me wonder is it really about the environment or just about selling more shit to consumers.

Musk just got hit with a fine from the EPA, and pretty sure his rocket program isn’t exactly good either.

https://gizmodo.com/tesla-fined-275-000-epa-clean-air-act-violations-pollu-1848582217

 

I think at this point in the game you're missing the point of EV's. If we look at history the first automobiles were toys for the rich. They were impractical, expensive, nobody knew how to work on them, fuel stations were in short supply, there were no roads, and everyone said "horses are better." EV's are following the same path. The first Tesla Roadster and Model S were for people that can drop $100K on a car that might be shit, but is cool. The current crop of EV's are perfectly capable cars that are expensive but not out of reach for many. For right now capitalism is doing what capitalism does. Tesla is sold out of its least expensive SUV until December 2022. They have zero incentive to do anything other than make the Model Y as fast as they can. Other automakers are looking at Tesla's 30% margin and saying I want a piece of that. Competition will sort things out in time. Eventually the Chinese will start bringing low cost EV's to the US and will decimate the US automakers, yet again. History will repeat itself similar to what the Japanese auto makers did in the 70's and 80's.

For the long term EV's will be the future. And FFS nobody's going to make anybody do anything. The Amish people still use a horse and buggy to this day. The Chinese EV's will be less expensive to buy, maintain, and run than an ICE. EV's simply have less maintenance, fewer moving parts, and the "fuel" is cheaper. Even if the price of electricity triples EV's still cost less that half of what it costs to run an ICE. Even if that did happen the use of solar would explode. My Tesla partially runs on sunshine from my solar panels. The fear mongering of electricity prices going up sounds just like a solar panel salesman. Yeah electricity could increase in price faster than inflation, but there are other forces that will push back against that. People will vote with their wallets and EV's will win.

As for dealers making a killing on extended warranties, they already are. They are just a money making scam and only a fools buys them. How much is a Rivian wheel motor? Who knows, it only has one moving part, what is there that can break? How much is a ICE transmission? Hmm $4K I'd guess. How many moving parts does it have? Who knows, but it's a bunch and they break all the time.

 

The fines were from painting and bad site management. They probably just “forgot” to do a permit revision. Sounds like they need to hire a better permit engineer/EHS person.

Had nothing to do with the EV mechanical performance or reliability.

I want an EV badly but not at a luxury price.

 

Humans are not good for the environment, nothing we make is good for the environment, but driving a car powered by the late 1800’s tech is stupid. Ev cars first hit the road in the early 1900’s

 

It has been for a while. We've just been lazy not investing into EV's earlier.

 

The horse and buggy comparison is lame. Was the supply of horse feed limited to raise the price of an outdated form of transportation to force people into buying cars? Of course not. I don't think most people here are against EVs. The people are just skeptical of the motivations, technology and obviiously price in the short term. And to ram it home now with everything going on in the world is just stupid.

 

No, there are people here against EV's, which is fine. But not when they get personal with people's opinions.

 

Hence why I said most. This is an interesting thread. I really are enjoying reading it. Lot's of great information. But seriously there will always be the internet warriors (on BOTH sides) with varying opinions. In my opinion, The lack of face to face conversation is the reason for this. That's my opinion though and I certainly won't get upset if someone disagrees with it.

 

Still needs to be manufactured, uses resources, and energy. That doesn’t come out of thin air. Didn’t say anything about EV performance and reliability, still too early to tell what reliability will be, though we are seeing how long batteries last, aren’t exactly cheap to replace, and disposal is a bit of an issue.

I wouldn’t mind one either, though the more I spend the more I have to work…thus consuming more resources, energy and emitting more greenhouse gases.

Comes to down the lesser of two evils, how much less is debatable.

No we are not. Well aware how long EVs have been out. Probably the best thing for the planet is the extinction of the human race, which may come sooner than we think, then climate change won’t be much of an issue then.

 

Except people do know how to work on EVs. They are being told no. Hence "right to repair". 30% margin is not a good thing for these companies. It's borderline monopoly.

Ford is pretty much moving in the direction to halt sales of non EVs... So the sense of "force" is more a subtle nudge right now. And the Amish pay a shit ton of taxes and all kinds of legal fuckery to keep the gubberment off their backs. It's why the gov loves them, they pay rather than fight.

It's not fear mongering. CA charges for solar use. They also charge for rain water collection. Electricity is in short supply and there is not enough to go around. Power grids on the brink daily. Now all this "cold war" stuff again, electricity is looking more fragile than ever (along with everything else).

Look, I get it. It's great tech. It's new. It can be improved. The fact is there is too much over reach globally, not just due to "capitalism". It's not just the EV market either. We should all be worried. It's scary to see companies and governments with so much power. I'd love an EV, bur for the cost currently and for a long time into the foreseeable future, it doesn't seem worth it to the majority. That's all I'm saying. It's going to be a long time, and probably not in my lifetime.

 

I have a perfectly fine, fast PHEV (R4P) with the same heritage as the most reliable car in the US (yota eCVT style MG1/2 + extra MGR).

I'm gonna say that it's gonna be plenty reliable for the Yota version. As for batteries, yeah that's the one thing that's new but I only need to worry about a (very gently treated, it will go into normal hybrid mode @20% state of charge) 18kWh battery instead of a 60kWh pack built into the car as a structural member (doesn't sound easy to maintain to me).

Replacement will likely be a couple K (once the 10 year, 150k mile warranty runs out) but that's a lot of years and miles from now.

 

YES! Thank you! I just finished looking up the dimensions for comparison. Rivian is half way in size between a Tacoma and a Tundra in my mind. And twice the cost of a Tacoma?

 

I am interested in EVs, battery tech isn’t quite there yet for me though. Would like to see easily exchangeable battery packs for one thing.

Priuses have proven quite reliable, full electric the jury is still out on it.

 

The sooner people move to EV the longer people will be driving ice vehicles.


I was looking at a Tesla charging lot yesterday. All Teslas, every model they make various colors, but every vehicle looked the same. Nothing wrong with owning and operating a Tesla, but just looking at that parking lot. That was one dull drab looking picture.

That's not what I'm used to looking at when I see a parking lot full of both American made, and imported from overseas cars, all kinds of shiny bright colors of vehicles from the last 3 to 5 decades.