2025 EV Tacoma thread.

Wrong. When demand drops they will cut production...which will in turn decrease supply, increase demand, and increase prices. Oil/gas prices will continue to rise no matter what.

 

My wife used to do the books for an E-Recycling company, its extremely toxic. Electronic scrap is sold to the highest bidder from China, loaded up on diesel burning containerships and off back to China. She ended quitting over their practices. Last I heard their warehouse burned to the ground.

The whole recycling thing believing it is better for the environment has pretty much turned out to be a myth.

Yeah I dunno, if it was truly about saving the planet it would be a whole lot cheaper or free. To me it just seems like is all about turning a profit or scamming people out of their money with vaporware.

Sure I like the idea of EVs and getting off of oil, but it isn’t all cupcakes and rainbows as we are lead to believe. If people really wanted to save the planet, quit buying shit and go back to the simplest form of living, like being a nomadic hunter gatherer. That would thin the human herd right quick. The biggest problem isn’t oil, it is us.

 

Lots of other solutions are upcoming to prevent this from happening. Repurposing for battery backup systems, domestic only dedicated recycling plants just for these types of batteries from cars and power tools etc. It will take time but other solutions are on the horizon.

 

Who is leading you to believe EV's are cupcakes and rainbows? You may need to check your sources. Oh sure, there are EV haters and EV fanboys and both are just wrong. Both use out of context snippets of sometimes wrong information and blow it up into "ThiS Is tHe BeST/WoRsT ThInG EvAr!!!!!!" The truth is in the middle. The truth is EV's are filthy to make and run. The truth is also that EV's are less filthy than ICE.

Sounds like this is the site for you, The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement https://www.vhemt.org/ Personally I don't go in for that sort of stuff. But, I do what I can do to make less garbage and pollution.

 

I'll take CO2 and Methane over Manganese and Lithium particulates

 

Kaboom.... be nice, I'm just posting this since I thought it was interesting. Be nice to each other.

For the first time in 70 years, the US produced more petroleum than it consumed.

https://www.motor1.com/news/569780/us-energy-independence-reached/

 

Going to see if I can order a truck with two V8s.

 

aannndd . . . cue the misinformed hater

Only the most misinformed EV fanboy could be upset with that. The dependance on foreign oil has fucked this country in so many ways. The devil is in the details though. Have we been producing enough of the right kind of oil or are we still dependent on foreign oil for some major needs? Still I think any thing we can do to say to the middle east and Russia is a good thing.

 

I take it as EVs having an impact on oil sales. More and more EV's will reduce the need to import and slow domestic drilling and production. But not for a while.

 

It is interesting that they wrote the article about the year 2020, also says they think it may have held for 2021 too but am skeptical.

 

Just paid $3.80/gal for home heating oil v. $2.50/gal one year ago. No warm feeling here from the purported production increases.

 

Coming from the guy who's baffled by actual solar economics, I think I'll take this with a grain of salt

 

We aren't really dependent on foreign oil, there's plenty here...and most of our imported oil comes from Canada and South America. It would be smarter to use up everyone else's before we pump ourselves dry anyways.

 

Getting back to OP original discussion about an EV Tacoma. I would be first in line as long as the price is similar to it’s gas counterpart. I don’t want to pay a premium.

I like the idea of plugging in at home or at the office when needed.

It will be interesting to see how I manage the battery level. Will I keep it charged like my cell phone or charge up when I am at 25% capacity?

No more oil changes is a plus (yeah i only do that 3 times or less a year now).

 

Will the EV Tacoma be classifed as BX beoynd zero emissions vehicles, as Toyota's other electrics?

 

Somewhere I've heard a plugged in EV is a happy EV. I keep my Tesla at 80% because they say the batteries are happiest at 80-90% charged. 80% is about 250 miles of driving and I never drive that much in a normal day. A coworker with a Tesla lives in an apartment where he can't charge. He runs his battery down to 5% and then supercharges at a place not far from the office. Home charging is the way to go if you can do it. But running the battery down low and using a DC fast charger is another way that isn't terrible. EV batteries charge quickly from 0 to 60%. I never timed it on our recent road trip, but often the car was ready to go before I was.

 

Well…EVs are being peddled as one of the main fixes for climate change by our government and others around the world, why they want to stop the manufacturing of ICE by certain dates. What is it 2035 or something in most major Western countries? Do you need a better source than that?

We live in a time of consumer excess, and it is only going to worse as 3rd World countries are wanting the same type of lifestyles we have been living in for decades. Not sure how consuming more resources and energy is going to curb climate change. You would think we should be trying to conserve as much as possible, hence my hunter gather comment. Think back to when humans did the least amount of impact on their surroundings and that is arguably it. No need for voluntary human extinction. If we suddenly had to go back to such a lifestyle tomorrow, majority of the population would die off naturally. Hell, most people loss their bowel control if the WiFi goes down for more than 10 minutes.

Though who is to say climate change is a bad thing? If you look at the fossil record, life thrived when the planet was warmer, the poles weren’t always frozen, they were subtropical. Perhaps we are holding off on the next ice age…not much can live in those conditions.

 

What does BX mean? I’m not following what you mean.

 

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they mean bZ , the toyota branding for their EVs. Ex: the bZ4X coming this summer/fall for MY23

 

Solar is great unless you live in a place like San Diego, Ca. where SDG&E keeps finding ways to reduce the return of investment on home solar panels. I installed my 18 panels about 6 years ago and SDG&E has figured out a way to reduce the return on my investment. Bandits!