2025 EV Tacoma thread.

But ICE vehicles will still be maintained and gas will still be available, engines in your ICE can be rebuilt and machine shops will be in high demand. No handing over of your ICE keys as someone here or another thread thought. By 2035 charging cars will be a sub 10 min event with longer mile ranges than any ICE vehicle. It's not the end of the world for ICE. It's a transition and not flick of the switch.

 

This video will answer the points you bring up. The short of it is that after a few years an EV pollutes less even with the mining, production pollutants etc. than an ICE vehicle. Also you can spend under $25k for a new EV. They all aren't $80k +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2IKCdnzl5k

 

I mean, he’s right — it’s not cleaner or greener to keep your old car after a year or so…But that EE bro is just so annoying sometimes. Where’s my hillbilly ‘EnJuhNeeeehring Uxpaned’? I want an option where I can listen to an EV guy that presents like this guy that drills stumps on the YouTube.

 

Yeh he can be but he is very detailed and will give the proper data good or bad.

 

We do have a love affair with the automobile, it is a symbol of freedom, a literal one at that, we can get into it and pretty much go anywhere we want. It is an ironic symbol of freedom since we become a slave to it.

What no one seems to be talking about is all the infrastructure that we and vehicles need, ok EVs will curb emissions, however building up all that infrastructure and the extraction of resources destroys habitat. Not sure if you paid attention to the pollution levels during the world wide lock down, they dropped dramatically. The problem isn’t ice vehicles, it is us…human activity. Perhaps promoting zero population growth is a solution, get it down to more sustainable levels, it is almost free and non-violent. People won’t go for that though, they want some magic bullet they believe will fix things. My wife and don’t have any offspring so we are already practicing I am preaching. Who is better for the environment? Us? Or a family of 6 who live in a 5000 sq ft house and owns two Teslas?

I like the “idea” of EVs, the reality just isn’t there yet for me.

 

We have to start somewhere. Energy production worldwide pollutes the most and 2nd is personal and commercial transport ie ICE cars, trucks, ships, trains etc. We have to start somewhere and transitioning personal transport is easiest it seems. I was skeptical with EV's at first and after driving and EV long term and researching it I feel good that my next choice in vehicle will be an EV. It makes sense and new ways to clean up the production process of an EV is happening all the time as well as post use of batteries is being dealt with. It will take time. It's in no way perfect now but is getting better year after year.

 

Curbing pollution is only part of the issue, no one seems concerned about all the infrastructure, the roads, power production no matter the form, houses and businesses. Where we live is seeing the biggest boom in the country, developments are springing up everywhere, natural habit is being plowed under, roads are being widened, solar arrays being erected….large swaths of farmland disappearing. All of that isn’t good for the environment. Yet few seem to care.

 

It is a shame but some unfortunate choices will be made and some land will need to be used to curb the pollution in the air etc. Drilling for oil is very invasive on the environment and oil spills are a daily occurance. It's some hard choices but renewables, to me, are a better choice for an energy choice than coal, gas, etc.

 

I believe he mentions that these items are part of his data.

 

Just going to leave this here...

https://environment.yale.edu/news/a...ide-lower-carbon-emissions-through-additional

"A recent study from the Yale School of the Environment published in Nature Communications found that the total indirect emissions from electric vehicles pale in comparison to the indirect emissions from fossil fuel-powered vehicles. This is in addition to the direct emissions from combusting fossil fuels — either at the tailpipe for conventional vehicles or at the power plant smokestack for electricity generation — showing electric vehicles have a clear advantage emissions-wise over conventional vehicles."

 

It is time to create long term solutions. How much will it help if all these cars are electric ?

 

You points were understood. Other points were made about their choices. My next vehicle will be an EV, no doubt. I believe it is cleaner to drive than any ICE vehicle. I really want to help the environment and making my next purchase will be an EV to help in that cause.

 

Nope, it depends on the comparative MPG and the type of pollution you're looking to mitigate.

Maybe for a new build. Existing vehicles don't have 'build' emissions (already emitted) so the comparison on an individual unit level is 'build + generation' vs fuel consumption only.

That's if we're strictly talking CO2/GHG.

 

Well, if you really want to help the environment, you should also be a vegetarian.

But let's not go down that path; things are squirrelly enough as it is in this thread!

 

Reading this thread, you can see what the 2 sides of the argument are: The environment vs. the cost of saving the environment (and who is going to pay for it)

 

I'm a meat eater but not as much as I used to be. But I love me a good cast iron skillet steak once a month.

 

Yes, agreed that there are factors in the generalization. But that’s not “nope.” The generalization stands that it’s usually better to ditch your old ICE for a BEV, and even with “build” omissions considered it usually takes a year or two to break even.

The most recent example in this thread included a 2000s era Avalon and Tacoma. A basic new EV variant is quickly going to be cleaner or greener than those based on a number of metrics. The EE guy said don’t drive a high capacity BEV in coal-fired W. Virginia if you’re trying to save the planet, but that’s not the average scenario.

Yeah, for sure—sounds like you don’t drive that much, so your footprint is relatively low. Makes less sense for you to be concerned about it or to buy a new EV to save money or help the cause. But when you talk about the mass effect of future purchases, like the 40 million people that live in Texas or the 40M in California that drive huge empty trucks and SUVs all the time, the numbers add up fast.

My wife and put down more miles in four years than you have in ten. The difference in fuel cost alone between her PHEV sedan and my Tacoma has been something like $10,000 — meaning if she instead drove a second Tacoma we’d have spent $10,000 and 2,500 more gallons of gas in four years. And the difference in emissions is considerable; and it takes a lot to get that 2,500 gallons of gasoline from the ground somewhere to our gas tanks.

 

I think another one nobody really talks about is the finite amount of lithium on the planet. Projections show the world running out of easily (read - cheaply) obtainable lithium by 2040, likely sooner if demand for electronics continues at the rate it's currently at. And this assumes all the countries on the planet are playing nice with each other without hording lithium reserves for themselves.

I think this might also be a reason Toyota is investing in hydrogen. It's not as cheap & easy to implement into an EV at the moment, but it very well might make sense in 15 years or so when lithium reserves have become much more expensive than they are today. With that said, that's a long f'ing time to wait on their investment in FCEV tech, but maybe it pans out?

 

In my opinion, BEV is the middle man to Hydrogen fuel cell cars. Once that hurdle of production of hydrogen is tackled then hydrogen just may be the leader in the next century.

 

Yeah it seems some are only looking at the air pollution and not really anything else. Fossil fuels are horrible, are renewables going to be any better?

Guess it is all about perspective…can’t remember who said this, believe it was Muhammad Ali “It isn’t a deer crossing the road, it is the road crossing the forest.”

We are perhaps living the Earth’s 6th mass extinction, and we are the driving force behind it. It isn’t just air pollution causing that, it is all of the development.