E85 conversion for 1st gen?

Yes, I was looking at extreme's response to my post, not yours, my bad. I got lazy and wasn't paying attention to names. That's on me.

As I said, the science is clear. As I said, there are nut jobs on both sides. The response to the science, specifically the anti-climate change response, comes primarily from politicians who are sponsored by oil companies or the oil companies themselves. You can't play the "follow the money" conspiracy while ignoring the oil company's vested interests as well. They most certainly have a vested interested in downplaying the role of the substance they produce.

Look, whatever % the US gets from fossil fuel is 100% irrelevant to a discussion if electric cars are environmentally friendly or not. That is a complete red herring.

I have also not once argued that lithium mining is environmentally friendly. I don't know anyone making that argument. But as I said multiple times, the technology is ever increasing, and battery recycling is growing exponentially, which inevitably make the legitimate issues you bring up lesson with time.

The simple truth is that if we want to continue driving cars, the current fossil fuel method is unsustainable and directly contributes to climate change (as does the US' reliance on fossil fuels in general - since you brought that up), but the issues with lithium mining are not insurmountable nor will they continue to be as big a deal as they currently are. Again, some people like to pretend that the ONLY way to get lithium is to dig it up, seemingly ignoring recycling, or hell, even other experimental battery technologies that are far more energy dense, and don't use lithium. But I can guarantee the fossil fuel industry will continue to fund anti EV propaganda even when we completely eliminated lithium from the batteries. Again, they're the ones with skin in the game.

But instead of looking forward to alternate fuel sources, they dig their heels in and insist on sticking with 150 year old technologies because that's what is making them a shit ton of money.

And that's all I'll say on this threadjack.

Good talk.

 

Ok... so those that say fossil fuel is the better technology (which it IS better technology today) and for the foreseeable future are "in the pocket of big oil"

But those espousing the climate change are altruistic and truely trying to save the world?

Lmfao dude... you are lost... completely LOST.

Haven't you ever wondered why everything to do with lessening your carbon footprint envolves either someone taking control... or you buying something new.

Look up reducing carbon foot print...
You shoud BUY insulation
You should BUY weatherstripping
You should BUY new appliances
You should BUY a new car
You should BUY new lightbulbs
You should BUY solar panels

So what about the "carbon footprint" of everyone BUYING NEW SHIT prematurely and replacing things that may not neccesarily need replacing? Oh, we don't look at the man behind the curtain... we can't talk about such things.

You don't think anyone is beholden to the legion of companies trying to make a buck off this?

And what about the control? You should pay more for goods because of the added taxes, regulations and just general extra bullshit?

You don't think someone is beholden to that cash cow?

And it's funny how everyone that runs around screaming climate change, and water level rising, are buying up real estate on the coast, trotting around the globe in their jets and heating and cooling their 30 room mansions.

While they tell schmucks like you that things wouldn't be so expensive if you buy a $80,000 to $100,000 Tesla.

Seriously... you would be funny if you weren't so sad.



It's funny how ALL of the solutions to climate change are on a micro scale that cost US more on a personal financial basis.

We never talk on a macro scale like Nuclear power production... or, again, getting hundereds of thousands of cars off the road in commutes that are no longer neccesary. Or, PROPER forrest management. (last year more Co2 was put in the atmosphere by California wildfires than the sum total of ALL power production in the State). Of course there are more solutions but those are 3 off the top of my head.

"Climate change" is supposedly a complex problem... but all of the suggested solutions seem to boil down to the simple solution of us BUYING more shit, and spending more of our money.

 

I post this again for its continued relevance







I also look forward to the farming of algea secretions which can be converted to run a diesel engine.

More importantly I look forward to a mass die off the human race. Hands down, without question, it's the easiest way to reduce carbon emissions. Not to mention a massive pile of dead bodies are like lil carbon storage pods allowing the earth to heal. We're a virus so we'll be back, hopefully we learn something next time

 

Are you sure about this? Never heard this before and quick Google says not true

 

Ethanol usually costs similar per Joule as gas, OP.
I think all you need is an E85 compatible fuel pump, replace any standard rubber fuel lines with PTFE-lined, replace injectors, and get a new ECU. Then tune. Then enjoy your exact same performance and cost and hitting the gas station more often.

 

made me chortle !

 

Lmao... yes, I'm sure about this. Maybe you want to do a little bit more thorough Google search, because it's common knowledge.

 

OP sold his truck and got a Nissan Leaf

 

if the truth be told, I'd bet you a dollar the sun has more to do with the Earths Climate than anything we puny humans can do. As for the Science behind climate change. The original purveyor of climate change has admitted to lying about his original data. So let's get back to the subject of E85 and not the endless debate of fossil fuels vs "New" Technologies.

 

Good citation

 

You asked the question. Do even a little bit of research. Find the answer yourself. Hell, call ANY independant mechanic.

If you want to be convinced E85 is rainbows and unicorns, be my guest. Better yet, start running E85 in your Taco tank and get back to me in 6 months. Tell me how much money you saved, and how it's going.

 

You made the assertion, you provide the proof

Also some bumfuck mechanic's anecdote is meaningless to me

And read my other comment about E85

 

It's actually not as bad as you make it sound. Yes, it will melt fuel lines if they are not made to run E85. Yes, it can and will gum shit up faster than gasoline if you let the vehicle sit. And just like anything else, if you don't maintain it, then it might even eat aluminum. But I haven't seen that last part happen and that is coming from the world of turbo cars trying to make stupid HP on E85. Running aluminum heads and TBs. For years. Without issues (at least related to running E85). Not to mention the pistons are fine too. As long as they take care of the fuel system.

 

Exactly.

 

If gas taxes pay for road maintenance (and they are 'supposed to' in most states) what happens to the roads if cars are all electric?

Seems to me a non-plug in hybrid is currently still the best choice for most folks for common transportation who want to improve their MPG and reduce emissions.

 

Need hybrids that are as capable as our Tacomas/4Runners/Land Cruisers tho. Either off-road or for hauling shit.

 

In a word, no.

I would agree that pure electrics don't work for a lot of people. They certainly make taking a long road trip take FOREVER. A few years back (2014) we ended up getting a conventional Corolla with a CVT rather than a hybrid. It gets within a few MPGs as a hybrid does (40 easy, vs. 45 for the Prius V), and out the door it was under $20k brand new. Hybrids we looked at, even used ones, were $30k+. The math simply didn't pencil out on our case.

But what's "best" depends on your driving style/commute. If it's a short commute, a plug-in hybrid could mean you never have to buy gas at all, but can still go on longer drives and not have to worry about running out of battery as the engine kicks in. Get home and plug it in. And it's ready the next day. A decent solar system helps mitigate the increase on your power bill, too.

But, yeah, the road tax thing is a big problem. Once possibility is taxing people based on the number of miles they drive and the class of vehicle they drive (more miles in heavier vehicles = more wear and tear on the roads), which would be independent of what kind of fuel/battery you use. That's effectively what we have now, with gas tax per gallon. The problem is that we've spent the last 150 years designing our system to be reliant on a single type of infrastructure (gasoline). Even before people started driving more electrics/hybrids, the gas tax still wasn't sufficient to fix the roads. People like to complain about the state of the roads, but complain just as loud any time there's a hint at raising the tax to pay to fix it. Is there fruad and waste? Sure, but not nearly enough to actually be able to pay to fix the roads.