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Discussion in 'Suspension' started by mgc3333, Apr 14, 2022.

  1. Apr 14, 2022 at 9:39 AM
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    mgc3333

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    I am not mechanically inclined, and have never done any aftermarket suspension work to any truck I've owned. I have tried searching through the forum but honestly it was pretty overwhelming mainly due because I have no idea what is being talked about, the acronyms, lingo etc.

    I have a 2019 TRD Offroad, it does have a spacer upfront to level it out. I have a Leer 100xr now and will be adding a RTT in the future. The suspension is stock. So I am guessing it will have around 350lbs on the rear year round. It will mainly be used on forest service roads in the summers camping and hunting trips in the fall.

    What should I do to keep the back end from sagging that doesn't involve a complete suspension upgrade? I've heard I'd need longer shocks in the rear for Icon rxt or deaver stage 1 AAL, also heard mixed opinions on air bags if they are going to be under load all the time. I'm a noobie, be gentle and please help me out, I have paralysis by analysis.

    Thanks
     
  2. Apr 14, 2022 at 2:28 PM
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    YotaJoe

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    insta@_yotajoe : 5100s / spc uca, 34' cooper mts, allpro sliders/skids. sherpa roof rack. agency6 goodies, BAMF hybrid front bumper, BD lights/Hella spots.
    5100s bilsteins with an add a leaf.
     
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  3. Apr 14, 2022 at 2:31 PM
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    perfect! Thank you
     
  4. Apr 14, 2022 at 2:33 PM
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    Unfortunately you would need to replace your shocks and either add a leaf or replace with aftermarket leafs. Leaves?

    The 5100s and AAL suggested above is a good option, Icon RXT option 2 with 5100s is also an option but more expensive.
     
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    Oh there will be some mods all right
    You could try sumo springs or timbrens.
     
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    I thought sumo springs and similar products were meant to help you with occasional heavy bed weights or towing loads, rather than being under load continuously to offset sagging springs and/or support a permanent weight like a cap.
     
  7. Apr 14, 2022 at 3:06 PM
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    Oh there will be some mods all right
    I was under the impression that they could used under continuous load but I definitely could be wrong
     
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    I’m sure they can, but I think they’re designed to augment the existing suspension when sagging under a heavy load. I’d be curious what the ride quality is like when the frame is in contact with the sumo spring 100% of the time.
     
  9. Apr 14, 2022 at 4:07 PM
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    After some thought, I was thinking of doing this. Truck has 285's on it now and rubs on the stock UCA on tight turns as is. Or could I do without the coilovers and use my stock coils and save some coin?
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    5100’s are designed for the stock coils so you can use them. But then you have to have them assembled from your coilovers, or have the equipment to compress your existing coilovers to disassemble AND to assemble the 5100’s.
     
  11. Apr 14, 2022 at 5:14 PM
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    Shouldn’t be an issue, I plan on having a shop do the install.
     
  12. Apr 14, 2022 at 5:24 PM
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    Don’t listen to anyone in this thread telling you an AAL will work. You will have wasted the money. You need an aftermarket leaf pack if you’re going to keep that static weight and want to maintain level with the front or rake. The rear will sag noticeably otherwise. Ask me how I know.

    Icon RXT is an excellent option for the price if you don’t want to get into Deaver/Alcan territory.

    Context: I run an ARE CX fiberglass shell, a prinsu topper rack, 3 gallons of fuel and some tools in the bed at all times. Lets say ballpark 300 maybe closer to 350lbs. My stock leaves were inverted as usual, so I opted for the “quick and cheap” fix with the icon progressive aal kit. It maybe gave me 2 hours of 1/2” rake in the rear, to level with the front, to almost back where i started (22” hub to fender measurement) in a few weeks. Then I realized i needed new springs. Put in the Icon RXT on 1st config, my current hub to fender measurement is back to 23” WITH all that static weight mentioned above. Save yourself the money and get the RXT.

    Tl;dr: aal and a replacement aftermarket leaf pack are not in the same league of comparison when dealing with static weight on the bed.​
     
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    Have you tried a shakedown trip with no RTT? If you don't use an RTT or buy a lift kit, your stock OR should be fine. What about sleeping in the back of the truck or using a tent?
     
  14. Apr 14, 2022 at 5:40 PM
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    I have airbags and they are awesome. DIY installed. Adjust the pressure based on weight.
     
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