Tacoma vs the new Santa Cruz

Video is a bit annoying, but the Rivian holy crap! Smokes the TRX.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acSdPy38XKU

 

It does, but you need the wife/girlfriend add on package.

 

it depends on the engine. i wouold stay away from anything 2.0 turbo or 2.4 these engine have issues consuming oil or having the bottom end start knocking. beside that they dont have any issues. and they replaced the 2.0-2.4 with 1.6t and 2.5l they have had no issues with those.
in my experience had my 18sonata for 60k( since new) miles no issues with proper maintenance (3-4k oil changes). my friend bought a used one 2015 with 40k miles, we don't know the history now at 60k is giving signs of oil consumption and after and sparkplug change they notice at least 1 cilinder is consuming to much oil. we dont know how the previous owner maintain that one. i know my friend does oil changes every 3-4k. so it really depends on the maintenance they got at the beggining of their life.

 

@cammerv8

This is so true. My wife's 2017 Elantra was purchased new and service was done by Dealership the first 3 years. After that, I've done my own oil changes and tire rotations. Any filtration system and other computer analysis has been done by the dealership.

This most recent oil change & tire rotation was done last weekend...wife's car has less than 40K miles on it and the underside and engine bay are immaculate!

No trouble with our Elantra except I had to buy a new battery at the beginning of the year...but it was due for a new one anyways.

 

It says I don’t have privileges to reply here.

 

https://youtu.be/Hu8tX2BAD1k

 

I kind of like a lot of Hyundai's offerings lately, including the Santa Cruz. And the Veloster N and Elantra N.

Honestly, I'd buy a Hyundai (or Kia, mmm, Stinger) over a Nissan these days. (although the upcoming new Z car looks pretty sweet)

The 80's Excel was a turd, to be sure, the late model stuff is pretty nice.

I also think the Maverick looks pretty decent for the price (if you can get one at list these days, they lose their appeal when overpriced). But at list price they look like a great reasonably priced commuter and weekend home center runner.

 

That problem has been "solved" where the turbos of the 80s would die a quick death due to cooking the oil after turning off the engine. People didn't know how to drive them. Specifically, they didn't know to do a cool down procedure by letting the engine idle for a few mins so the cooling system would take off as much heat as it could. The crazy ones would race the engine right before shutdown causing a pouring in of heat from the engine and leave a turbo spinning high rpms but not receiving any lube or coolant (for water cooled turbos - not all were water cooled!) from the engine.

The "solution" was to build the plumbing for the water cooling system in such a way that the hot turbo could cause a back flow of liquid coolant into the turbo when the heat would evaporate the coolant in it. And, of course, do away with oil only cooled turbos in consumer vehicles. Or that's what Ford's documentation was for the EB's turbos. It was hard to find that documentation btw, and it was specifically for the 3.5 EB Gen 1 engine. But it likely applies generally. What I found most interesting was the 3.5 EB uses the same turbo as Audi does. The K03 and K04 BorgWarner turbos (depending on engine year).

Those 80s turbos were also larger and took more time to spool up. So called turbo lag. These tiny turbos of today spool very quickly. If you really want to get an idea of how aggressive they are now, grab a F150 EB, throw it into sport mode, and gun the throttle. Put down the windows and get next to a wall when do it. They're quieter today too but their reflected sound is nice if you like turbo whine. After you do that, just realize that those turbos are rated for 100,000+ rpms!

 

If the turbos need to be cooled, why don't the manufacturers put a cool down mode that can be activated before the vehicle is ready to be shut off?

 

Nissan, or more correctly, Datson did something like that on their 280ZX cars. It freaked out most people. A small engine block fan would cool the engine down if it was too hot when people shut it off. Quite loud. I think most people cut the wires and just let the engine be too hot for a short while. That was back in the 80s too.

I think keeping an engine running for a few mins after driving would freak out drivers even more than the 280ZX cooling fans did. Imagine a lot of calls to the dealers about cars that won't cut off. Honestly, I don't know but my best guess would be most companies either had no experience with forced induction or their experience was with diesel turbos which rarely failed from being turned off hot. Most truckers would sleep in the cab with the engine running back then. The oil cooled turbos really wouldn't cool down much if oil kept circulating after the engine was turned off. Hot oil passing through even hotter turbo and dumping the heat back into the oil pan. Imagine the sludge being sucked up into the turbo from that system. And the water cooled wasn't plumbed back then accounting for evaporating coolant so they'd have to figure out how to keep the cooling system pumping coolant through. Since engines of those days used clutched fans driven off of the water pump's pulley, they'd have to abandon that and go to electric fans and an electric water pump. Funny thing today is many cars today have gone electric fans even for conventionally mounted engines. I had a 350Z. Electric fans and the car would turn them off if driving fast enough. The airflow from the fast driving was enough to keep the engine cool. Not sure if it added anything to the performance but then those tiny tabs on our trucks are supposed to add a little efficiency.

 

Respect to your dad.

 

They make products called turbo timers that are popular in Japan and in the early 2000s tuner cars. I had one installed on my turbo Miata track car and I know almost everyone else who had installed an aftermarket turbo got one too. It is essentially a timer you set for a specified amount of time and when you turn the car off and remove the key the engine will continue to run for a set amount of minutes. This makes it so you don’t have to sit in a car once reaching a destination just pull the key, lock the doors and walk away and eventually the car will cut the power and shut down after cooling the turbo and oil system.

 

I heard of turbo timers, never knew what they were used for.

 

I think he does to much poison.

 

Yeah, my wife has the Edge ST, that 2.7 really picks up the pace fairly well. It doesn't put Ya back in the seat like a Mopar 5.7 or anything but it sure gets the job done. The Edge has the 8speed vs the F150's 10 speed and the engines are probably tuned a little different. In the stock versions I am not sure the Edge would beat the 150 in the 1/8th mile. It is a surprise to find that the Edge weights about the same as the 150. Also the Edge ST is all wheel drive so that may slow it down by adding weight etc? I am always surprised just how damn big the Edge actually is, every time I wash it...

 

How many people care about speed? Look how popular the air cooled VW Beetle is. That has to be one of the slowest and most underpowered cars ever produced.

 

I sure don’t, but it seems like the number one bitch for new 3rd Gen Tacoma owners on here. Perhaps this is their first truck purchase and those people are coming from sports sedans or hot hatches. They like to go fast…

Used to own an air cooled bus for 8 years, loved that thing….ya think the Beetle is slow.

 

Over the years I started out being a Chevy guy, then I drove a few others. I've had Chrysler, Honda, Ford Toyota and Hyundai
I love the Tacoma owned 4 since 04. Started out in 88 buying Corolla's, the first Hyundai Elantra I bought we liked it, my wife is a smaller person 4'10' so she likes the littler cars. So we looked a little bit ago at the Hyundai Tucson and she didn't like it, the dealers salesman at the time was talking about the Santa Cruz coming out in a couple yrs that it was going to be on the Tucson's frame. But we didn't like the Tucson for her, but ended up with the Kona, other than the cargo area it's a nice car. It's on a Elantra chassis from what were told. Long story short get what meets your needs. I kinda like the Hyundai's and these days that 10 yr warranty is hard to beat. I like the Tacoma for its size and it's residual value. The Hyundais don't hold as much except in this market my Kona is worth about what we paid for it. So the Santa Cruz will meet someone's needs.

 

I like the looks of the Rivian, or I should say, it has grown on me. However, electric trucks right now are a no go for anyone who wants to use a truck for most of it's intended purposes, like pulling loads, carrying weight and off roading. The simple reason is that electric motors don't like overload conditions and suck power much faster than a linear rate. The more load, the more heat and the more heat the faster the charge bleeds down. Oh and as much as electric motors don't like heat, batteries don't like cold, so cold weather is also an enemy. lol.

Here is another example. The rivian vs the tundra pulling a trailer the size of a porta potty. And look at what happens to the range vs the tundra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuW8P4uvKoI&t=1s

Then consider how much offroading will take out of a charge. And this is why electric trucks for me are a no go. Still, I think it's a cool truck

 

Yeah I am with you on that, Rivian certainly is cool, but more for tech trendy hipsters, than actual real world truck use. Be ok as a daily, but would fail miserably as back country explorer. Here in Idaho there are times when finding gas can be tough, let alone a charging station. Bunch along the interstate, but good luck if you stray too far from that.

Not much into 0-60 times or drag racing, but holy shite! That thing is quick!