Hockey Trash Talk & BS thread

Best pass of the night!
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1529971777559928832?s=20&t=pjD-QI5RfvL5sY-ga6xG0A

 

4 goals in 1:11, once again defense has left the building…
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1530029610145959936?s=20&t=rMFSMAhq0wgK1S7DO1gMQQ

 

Used to do that with Mike Lange back in the day. The delay eventually made it difficult to enjoy.

 

To me, that should have been a goal last night. Some angles I can see the argument that he extended his leg but in all honesty I think he was trying to just his leg down before crashing into the post. Looked more like if anything, a redirection at most. It was not an intentional kick, in my opinion. That being said, I am not going to let that series hinge on that 1 play. Calgary wasn't going to win. Markstrom was terrible all series and they just couldn't stop Oil's big guns. Way too much room out there for them. Plus they had every opportunity to exploit Mike Smith and didn't press enough. So they didn't deserve the win.

Good on Edmonton. To me this playoff is wide open at this point and they have as good a shot as anyone. With McDavid flying high, this could be that magical run that he needs, for his legacy. His point total is totally insane right now.

 

Official here, obviously not NHL level.

That was a good goal. Coleman doesn't sweep his foot forward, it's on the ice attempting to make contact while stopping/falling. Usually the definition of kicking motion involves moving the foot in a way that significantly imparts new direction and speed to the puck while the player is in unimpeded control of his actions. Given the puck was already going in, didn't change direction significantly, and he was in the process of being checked and falling over the goalie I was a bit shocked TO made that call from the war room.

 

It is a shame that a playoff game was decided on what was a 50/50 call. Too close to overturn imo.

 

Toronto officials made the right call. Look at the twitter video I posted closely - see how he pushed it into the net and then sneakily pulled his leg back? That’s the giveaway. His left skate was on the ice the entire time, it wasn’t an “accidental” out of control moment.

Not an NHL official but the Toronto guys who made the call are.

 

The bigger concern is if the NHL keeps making calls like that, they'll keep turning fans off. TV numbers in Canada are already down this year. The league has to get better with this stuff.

 

Very good explanation, in my opinion. Also, I thought the current rule was more-so to make sure players are not kicking like sweeping motions that could potentially injure someone with the skate blade. A redirection with the skate to a puck that was going in that direction should not negate that goal, in my opinion and how I interpret the rules. But the call was the call, so nothing can be done.

 

I've done tournaments where, when you're off the ice, you spend a significant amount of time with high level officials explaining every call you made. If you don't actually know little things like "what's a kicking motion," and can articulate it, you don't get a finals game. I've done plenty of finals .

Ultimately I'd love to know what the war room conversation was like. It's like the Supreme Court in there, but we never get to hear what the vote was and what the rationale was of each person putting there opinion into the final decision. The NHL should add that, it would be pretty cool and show some human factor.

 

Ya I would like to maybe hear that also. That being said, on Twitter NHL player safety usually publishes an explanation on how they came to their conclusion on high profile hits. And a lot of the times, the explanations seem laughable and makes me wonder how they see it that way (or interpret the rule that way etc.) So I'm not sure if getting an explanation would do anything, in a way lol. Obviously I am just 1 person and how I see something doesn't mean it it the correct view. But sometimes it's just hard to see consistency with the people who makes these types of calls. That tends to get everyone fired up because it seems like a dice roll, many times.

 

Granted these are tough calls. Calgary had the third period and OT to win it though, so laying the loss on one call is lame.
Here’s one that was called a good goal - not sure who the team in black is
https://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/1530040346184454161?s=20&t=FfekYLw-V-elzTlvu_956g

So what’s the difference from the Calgary denied goal? Note the big change in puck angle for the Canes goal, thus it was ruled a deflection and deemed legal. The Calgary game the puck was pushed all the way into the net. The Canes goal could have been overturned, but I can see the call good due to the clear deflection far off the net.

 

If I was in a position where I actually could critique this call I'd ask the official what the call was on the ice in the Calgary game. "It was a good goal." Then I would ask why he thought it should be called back. "Because I think Coleman made a kicking motion." Was it a clear kicking motion? "Well from one angle he clearly moves his foot forward." Is one angle of forward motion enough to overturn a call on the ice? "Probably not."

 

Um, what is this lol.

https://twitter.com/joneschlo/status/1529901576940310540?s=20&t=TfyT63IR5QeStuolf8UG5w

 

There are several angles showing it, not just one, the on ice officials did not have those when they made the immediate call.
In any case the rules as they stand lend themselves to questionable calls. Here’s an older article I found interesting. Some have called to change the rules to allow kicking the pucks, but as the article points out this could lead to injury.
https://thehockeynews.com/news/why-its-time-to-kill-the-distinct-kicking-motion-rule
I like the suggestion to go back to the pre-1996 rule change (and later changes):
“Good old Rule 55 (d) disallowed all goals that were “kicked, thrown or otherwise deliberately directed by any means other than a stick.” If a puck ricocheted off a player’s skate, that was fine, but if that player moved his foot at all to steer the puck into the net, the goal was washed out. It was very simple.”
With that rule the Canes goal I posted would have been rules a no goal and so would the Calgary goal. A lot easier and clearer call with the old rule.

 

I'd take the rule the other way. I'd ban everything of the hand/hands still but allow foot goals. Honestly the league survives on more scoring. Make it easy and allow it.

 

Allowing kicked goals would end up in some skate blades slashing the goalie. They get banged up enough as it is lol.

 

TBF the current rule allows for that too lol.

 

In my opinion that one is more questionable than the one last night. Both should be goals though, at least from how I see it.

 

lol seriously now the Canes goal didn’t end with his foot in net with a puck attached
I think a no goal in both cases more appropriate but I can see officials rationale for each call.