Still think TITNC3: Return of the Iceberg was peak

Point stands: You're there voluntarily, not by force.

 

You could argue I'm at my employer voluntarily too.

Unfortunately that's not true.

I'm forced against my will to work in order to exist.

I'd much prefer my mom just blew my dad that fateful night but instead here I am.

 

Well, you might? I'm not disparaging blue collar work at all. The original point of discussion was that there's those than can and will do, and there's those that can't.

 

I'm just here to get rich, same as you are. Gotta play by the rules.

 

I don't think he's going to be willing to pay our bills if we quit our jobs, unfortunately

 

Maybe I can sue my parents for procreating?

 

I'll go for that. If we get a few more we can do a class action suit!

 

No, you choose to work because you desire a certain quality of life. Nothing is stopping you from living like a Vow of Poverty monk while subsistence foraging and hunting in a national forest somewhere.

You *opt* not to do so.

 

Steady, man. You're headed off the rails now.

 

You're technically correct.

Which is usually the best kind of correct.

Right now however... *le sigh*

 

A master carpenter with 30 years experience doing high-precision finish work gets way more moolah than an apprentice go-fer shooting in blocking on rough framing, which is what the $15/hr nail drivers are.

Additionally, those 15/hr nail drivers tend to turn into pinecone over time if they have any initiative discipline. Almost no one stays in their first, bottom level job for life.

 

What part of that statement was inaccurate?

 

Also, you can't live a vow of poverty in the US and just subsist off of forest foods. Private land, licenses for hunting and fishing, etc.

 

You can't wander off grid and just live off the land. You'll get arrested for violating any one of a myriad of laws that prevents that.

 

Upward career mobility is a privilege not all people have unfortunately. Be it by circumstance, or design.

Life isn't fair to everyone.

 

Not even close. Our guys start at $35. If you ain't skilled your not getting on the crew. Period. I'm not a babysitter and never will be.

Don't forget that I already retired for 6 years to be a climbing bum.

 

I get it. Shitty situations are not fun, and often the best option available to us is still a shitty situation. And that sucks hard when the way out sees, at best, extremely far in the future and uncertain.

All I can say is I hope things improve for you. And I mean that sincerely.

 

You talk a lot of shit about your guys making $35/hr

You're also a skilled craftsman working for a company that has high net worth clients.

 

One day I'll save enough for some bootstraps and be on my way!

 

I agree on both points.

On the first point: 'Most' is accurate, but you are correct that it is not 'all'.