Tire or Wheel balance issue - trouble shooting

I just had my tires rotated and balanced but i have one wheel that has a balance issue that im fighting with. Hoping to get your thoughts on how i can determine if its the Rim or the tire causing the issue or something else.

What im working with
Wheels are Pro Comp 68 16x8 (Aluminum)
Tires are Kelly AT 265/75/16
Im still using the stock SR tire pressure sensors and i believe those were flipped around to to make them work with the new rim (this may be part of the problem)

Condition: when the tire is placed on the front of the truck my issue is at highway speeds braking. Steering wheel shimmy only on braking. The condition moves when i rotate the tire to the back.

I installed the new rims and tires at the same time so im not sure how to tell if i need to purchase a new rim or a new tire to fix the issue

TPMS im willing to make an educated guess that the flipped TPMS could be playing a part in the tire issue but wouldnt it be consistent with all wheels/tires

Any help would be appreciated.

 

http://www.nissantechnicianinfo.mobi/htmlversions/Spring_2014/Tire_Wheel.html

 

looks like ill just have to start trading parts out if these are the tools i need to troubleshoot this problem.

 

...or find a shop willing and capable of troubleshooting it for you.
My point in posting that article was, it can be quite involved.

Here's a couple more links...
https://www.moderntiredealer.com/ar...oid-28-common-mounting-and-balancing-mistakes

https://www.tirereview.com/battling-wheel-slip/

 

i defiantly go that out of the article. still not sure how to determine a shimmy vs shake on the steering wheel. I think my first course of action will be to break the bead put in a new TPMS (correctly mounted) rotate the tire 180 degrees and get my free 30 day rebalance and see if that improves the amount of weights on the wheel. (2 strips of weights currently)

 

Any basic wheel balancer will show if the wheel is bent or if the tire is unable to be balanced.

Have you have the wheels and tires balanced on a road force machine? I would do this before anything. Tacomas are VERY sensitive to wheel balance. I had a bit of a shake in a new set of tires last year. Only way to get them to balance properly was to have my local dealer do it.

The TPMS shouldn't matter.

 

We are sorry to hear you are having a vibration issue.

If you have the issue narrowed down to one tire assembly, a roadforce balance can confirm the rest. This will load test the tire to determine if the tire has a really high spot or if the heaviest part of the tire is matched up with the heaviest part of the wheel. It will also measure the wheel run out to determine if its the wheel causing an issue. What's uncharacteristic of a wheel or tire issue is that on the front axle it only causes and issue under breaking. Since the tires and wheels are always turning if applying the break introduces the issue, usually this would point to another component being the problem.

Either way our store locations can help confirm the tire problem. PM on the way.

 

If you get a wobble only during breaking that points to a warped rotor issue. Have the rotors turned on replaced

 

Some points to consider since it only happens when the wheel is in the front:

Are your wheels hub centric? If so dose the center bore in the wheel fit properly on the hub? No binding when tightening the wheel down?

With the front wheels off the ground spin the wheel/tire. Dose the inner and outer lip on the rim look straight? No bends while spinning?

Now look at the tire while spinning. Any wobble in the tire? Tires will have some out of roundness compared to the wheel. If you need a reference look at a known good tire spinning.

With the trucks wheels still off the ground grab the tire at 3 and 9 o'clock on the tire. Shake the tire back and forth. There should be no play.

One other thing. Its possible you have water in the tire. Some shops compressors have water in them. Ive seen tires with about a cup full of water cause some unusual problems.

 

35k miles on the truck and the brake wobble disappears when the problematic wheel is no longer in the front of the vehicle. If it was consistent regardless of the wheel position I might agree with you.

 

Hub centric, no binding. I'll check the rim runout later this week, rims show no physical signs of deformation. As of a few k miles ago the wheels had no play

 

Unless they have flat-washer lug nuts, they are lug centric, regardless of bore size. If the center of the bore circle does not coincide with center of the bolt circle they won't be balanced on the vehicle.

How do the lug seats look?

 

Tire tread might be delaminated/bubbled on the tread

 

lugs have a taper on them that centers the rim on the studs.

Similar to below

 

I meant the lug seats on the wheel...
Do they have more wear in one particular spot?

 

would it be expected to see significant wear after 20k miles?

 

That should be 4 times they've been tightened with 5,000 mile rotations...
What I'm saying is the center of the bolt circle of the wheel is slightly misaligned with the center of the hub bore of the wheel.
You get this at the wheel's lug seat.


Here's another good link...it's where the illustration is from. It will clarify why I'm saying you might have two centering methods competing with each other; hubcentric vs lugcentric.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11668-017-0297-0

 

Is the hub bore 106.1mm or are you using a hub spacer/adapter?
Example:108mm to 106.1mm

 

this adds another element that i didnt think of. im guessing its the 108 but with the hub cover its a tight fit.

 

Yes...perfect example of what I was talking about. I would not call that a tight fit ti the hub...
It's being centered by the lugs; most all wheel balancing is done centering the wheel by the hub.
If you were to get hub adapter rings you are forcing it to become hubcentric. This puts a lot of stress on the wheel studs(see the last link I posted).

My advice is find a shop that recognizes this is a problem and have it lugcentricly balanced.

Do the other wheels appear similar?