Did I get a Lemon?

That sound was not there in the previous 3 1/2 months. You are talking about a different engine. If the sound is an issue with the truck, it can be lemoned. And all the 2.7 I heard do not sound like that. My first 3 1/2 months no sound, why now? Why not the others I checked out have a knocking sound? Is my truck special?

 

Do you have video of the engine running from the same angle before it was making the noise? Please post it.

 

The clock is ticking is my main concern, especially when it comes to a knocking sound that was not there in the previous 3 1/2 months. If it was something stupid and basic (Like a radio, lock, or even a bushing) that did not require pulling an engine or transmission, then would not be really concerned.

 

Yes. I am going to upload. The video is without the noise and the video with it.

 

As of now there is no issue except a noise that does nothing to hinder the operation of the truck. Again you won't win a lemon law case with just a noise. I had to lemon law my 2019 Silverado for a lifter issue. At first it was a noise of a bad lifter. Dealer wouldn't look at it a second time without the truck throwing a CEL or having drivability issues. A few months later the tick turned into a misfire at idle. They tried to fix it 3 times and it still had the misfire So I was able to lemon law it.

I promise you, as of right now you have no case. Reach out to a lemon law attorney. They will hear out your case for free and let you know if its worth persuing or not.

Google 2nd gen/ 3rd gen engine noise. They all make weird noises including sometimes a knocking noise. I get its a different motor but my 2nd gen and 3rd gen both have a glug glug glug noise at idle that some think sounds like a knock. 105k on my 2nd gen at 60k on my 3rd gen. Both run perfect. You have a powertrain warranty for the next few years.

Mass lemon law reads:

at least one defect that substantially impairs its use, market value, or safety. Your motor noise does not fit into any of these categories.

 

Just so everyone is on the same page...here is the guidance from the state's website:

What is the new car Lemon Law?


Under the Massachusetts Lemon Law, you may receive compensation for your new car, motorcycle, van or truck if you bought it in Massachusetts from a licensed dealer and it has at least one defect that substantially impairs its use, market value, or safety. The vehicle must be used by you for personal or family purposes, and must not have been bought by or registered to a business. The defect(s) must be discovered and subject to a reasonable number of repairs during the "term of protection" of 1 year or 15,000 miles of use from the date of the original delivery, whichever comes first.

You can pursue compensation under the Lemon Law by dealing directly with the dealer or manufacturer. If your attempts to receive compensation aren’t successful, Lemon Law arbitration is available through the Office of Consumer Affairs and Business Regulation (OCABR).

Determine if your vehicle is covered
A vehicle is considered a lemon if it has at least one defect that substantially that impairs the use, safety, or market value and the car has not been repaired after a reasonable number of attempts.

The new car section of the Lemon Law covers:

• New cars, motorcycles, vans, or trucks purchased or leased in Massachusetts from a dealer for personal or family purposes
• Vehicles within the “term of protection” — 1 year or 15,000 miles of use from the date of original delivery, whichever is first

You do not meet the basic qualifications for Lemon Law compensation if your vehicle does not meet the criteria above.

If your car is eligible, you must be able to demonstrate specifically how the use, safety, or market value is substantially impaired by the defect. To prove the market value impairment, you must show that your vehicle is worth at least 10% less than it would be without the defect.One way to do this is by having your car appraised.



Steps to start the process
Step 1) A reasonable number of repair attempts
You must allow the selling dealer, a dealer that the manufacturer authorizes, or the manufacturer a reasonable number of attempts to repair the defect. The law defines a reasonable number of repairs as 3 times for the same defect. If the problem is still present after 3 or more repair attempts within 1 year or 15,000 miles of the original date of delivery of the car — whichever comes first — then you can move onto Step 2.

Please note: If your car is out of service during repair attempts for 15 or more business days, that also meets the requirement, even if there aren’t 3 separate repair attempts. Under this law, a business day is any day the service department of an authorized dealer is open for business.

During the repair process, make sure that you:

• Keep complete and accurate records of all contact with the manufacturer and dealer.
• Keep all receipts.

PS: You have a right to a dated, itemized bill for any repair work, including warranty repair work, under statewide Motor Vehicle Regulations (940 CMR 5.05).

Step 2) Final repair attempt
If the substantial defect continues after the dealer or manufacturer has made a reasonable number of repair attempts, you must give the manufacturer one final repair opportunity, not to exceed 7 business days, to fix the defect. The 7-day period begins when the manufacturer knows or should know that the repair requirements have been met or exceeded.

Before 15 months from the date of delivery, you’ll need to send a letter notifying the manufacturer that you have made reasonable repair attempts. You can send the letter after the term of protection has ended.

It is recommended that you send your notice by mail, return receipt requested, regular mail and by email to the manufacturer’s regional office. Keep copies of all documents.

At the end of the 7 business days, if the manufacturer has your car, you may pick it up whether it has been fixed or not. If the defect hasn’t been repaired, you have a right to the cost of repairs, a refund, or a replacement car.

 

I already Googled, almost all those are v6s. 2nd Gen means nothing. Upload a video of your third Gen 2.7 making the same noise. I already checked out a few 3rd Gen and none of them make the noise. Why no noise for the first 3 1/2?

Lol. And the 2.7 that I found turn out to have a problem and we’re fixed. I believe even some here has a new 3rd Gen and said they did not have that sound, why?

 

Honestly you are just way too sensitive dude. Nothing is wrong with your truck. Thats why the first dealer wouldn't look it.

Toyota is going to set you up with another dealer. This time they will be forced to look at it because Toyota is going to reach out to them. They will call you a few hours later and tell you that your truck is fine and they can't do anything because the truck runs and drives fine. I went through this whole process with my Silverado.

 

Hard to tell from a video but that sounds like an electric pump to me not anything internal to the motor. Does the 2.7 have a vacuum pump or air injection pump that could be making that noise?

 

Not sure if the 15 days is each time or combine through all three attempts.

The main concern is time running out and getting stuck dealing with a lemon. It happens a lot. So if I get stuck waiting 2 - 3 months at a time just for an appointment that could run out the clock. I do not want to lemoned it, just want it fixed before the time runs out to make sure I do not end up with a lemon-dog that has issue after issue.

 

But it did not do the previous 3 1/2 months. I would be happy if it is something simple like that and not an engine or transmission problem

 

You worry too much. Oh, and if I were your lemon law lawyer, I would tell you to STFU. This thread is a terrible idea.

 

You have a 60month/60k powertrain warranty. If something happens to the engine you are covered. I don't see why you are so worried being stuck with a "Lemon" when you have engine coverage for the next 6 years. If something is truly wrong with your engine internally, something will let go WAY before 6 years or 60k.

 

And I will bring it back. The tech at the dealership heard the sound, he went under the truck. Hears sound, lol shit, we maybe can get to your truck in a month. Would not say if the sound was normal or not, would not let me start one of the other 2.7 trucks up to confirm if it is normal or not. They would not even let me start any of the 2.7 on the lot to see if it was normal. The service advisor manager lied right to my face and said he did not have any 2.7 and he had two of them in the show room, I pointed too them and he just gave that dumb look. If it was normal then they have to explain why it started doing it after 3 1/2 months at about 1600 miles why other new trucks do not market he sound.

 

That is the powertrain warranty and I believe it is 5 years. That is not true, it could have issues after 60k. Plus what if it turns out to be something else and that is only covered under the 3 years 36k? Or how about it turns out to be an engine issue after the 36k 3 year warranty is done and they replace the engine and other components not covered under the 5 year warranty start failing do to poor installation?

 

Lol.

This thread and many others all over the web showing the sound may bring attention to others that may have issues or not. Welcome to the internet.

 

It’s 15 days total, does not have to be consecutive days.

 

Judging by how you answer posts on here, you must be a service departments worse nightmare. No wonder no one wants to help you. You seem crazy.

Its a Toyota truck. Things have issues. Stop over analyzing the shit out of this situation.

You could also lemon law the truck and when your new one arrives or you buy something new it could make the same noise but only louder.

Some trucks have motors that blow up within the first 1000 miles. Still not a lemon law case. Toyota fixes the truck and gives it back.

 

If this is in fact a power train issue you don’t have to worry about the period in between the bumper to bumper expiring and the power train expiring. You’re covered.

Also, there will be some warranty on work that was done…let’s say you had the engine replaced days or miles before the power train warranty expired and then you later experience a failure related to that work, there is some additional warranty period there for the work that was done. You would just need to ask the dealer what it was in advance if you were concerned.

 

I would have been more pissed than you were at the dealer !!! Went though a bad deal with a ranger pu. It leaned to the left side about an inch. They claimed it was nothing, eventually they "Fixed" it. They put shims under the left side of the bed, had a 1" gap now between the tailgate and the bumper. I was so pissed. Started the lemon law trail and got my money back in about 3 months. The slimey bastards