Tacoma Vs. Rivian

id love to hear more about this "galaxy designed that way on purpose" theory you speak of

 

because it's all about the money. Can't be intruding into their profit margin. Why should they care about the environment, they'll all be dead and gone. Then it will be someone else's problem to solve, and the cycle just keeps going round and round. We haven't been very good stewards of our home.

I know that E.V. will be the wave of the future at some time. But we don't have the infrastructure currently in place to support them. It's all smoke and mirrors. Like the sleight of hand tricks, watch this hand, while I do the magic with the other one.

 

would have to take this subject matter over to the another thread.

 

for whoever likes some reading

average car sale price in the usa right now is around $48k
https://jalopnik.com/new-car-prices-average-48-000-for-the-first-time-1849327204

average monthly car payment in the usa right now is around $700
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/02/1109105779/monthly-car-payments-record-700

average EV sale price in the usa right now is around $66k
https://electrek.co/2022/07/25/average-electric-car-price-hit-66000-us-whole-story/



this trend about crying that a rivian or any other ev is too expensive is going to run out of time and money sooner than later

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wld5Sdrz17w

top of the world trail Moab
rubicon with like 37s and a lift, compared to stock Rivian on maybe some 35s?

 

Can't speak for their charging stations, but gas stations tend to have the lowest profit margin among any industry. They have to prop themselves up with their convenience stores.

 

I don’t know about that, unless the Rivian dramatically drops in price. It’s comparable vehicles are a Tacoma, Gladiator or Frontier. You could buy any of those trucks plus a commuter car like a Mazda 3 or Chevy Bolt and still have gas money left over compared to buying just the Rivian.

 

or perhaps, if everything gas related keep climbing

 

The one thing you can always rely is humans desire to make money. EV recycling has a lot of options because the batteries are inherently expensive and they're the bottleneck in being able to scale up and make more money with higher margins. The California EPA has a whole working group on it. There's 5 separate startups working on it. The DoE is sponsoring a prize pool for solutions. In August, GM launched a dedicated battery recycling facility and have already "recycled 100 percent of the batteries it has received back from customers through warranty claims, trade-ins or leases since 2013.". The return on those recycling activities isn't nearly as good as it could be but people are trying. I'm hopeful.

It wasn't too long ago that if you told someone there'd be a 7200 pound truck that could do 0-60 faster than most consumer sports cars that they would have told you that it would never happen.

Even if it climbs to the rate that it is literally everywhere else in the world except the US, the equation changes very quickly.

 

No, this is the thread for it.

 

That means people are taking out 6 year loan for their car. Damn.

 

people have been doing that already for many many years...

nothing new

 

Maybe not new compared to recent standards but for a long time the longest car loans were typically 48 months.

I remember the first seeing 60 and 72 month options and being like who the heck would do that.

Genuinely sad that the average is now 72

 

you prob old enough for this in that case
https://www.nytimes.com/1978/11/24/...erging-as-prices-climb-banks-stretch-out.html


6-7 year loans have been a thing for decades... "recent" enough idk
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ar-loan/0477c679-161b-49ae-acf9-4f2246a5bc3d/

 

Assuming that everyone that bought a car also got a loan and made no down payment.

 

Hahaha not that old.

Ya I’m sure they been around a while but was never an option when I was first shopping for cars.

 

Why would the Rivian not climb in price as well? If you go on Rivians site and price out a truck with the mid size battery, quad motors, skid plate and all terrain tires it comes up to just under $95K. That’s stupid money for a midsize truck. A Tacoma TRD Pro is around $50K. A Gladiator Mojave is $55-60K. I highly doubt that $40K price gap ever goes away.

 

I'm comparing face value of average car price vs average car payment. There are obviously a lot of assumptions that could be made.

48000/72 months=$666. If you assume interest or TTT $700 is about par.

 

Exactly…it is more about making money than it is about saving the environment. Why I am not hopeful. We can’t even get a handle on landfill waste, among endless other things. Hell, don’t have much hope for the human race in general, seems like a constant battle over idealisms, people hate each other…so why even try to save it?

There will be a point when the planet has had enough of our bullshit, and shake us off…like it has done so many times in the past. To think we can engineer ourselves out of this mess we created, is rather naive.

 

It’s going up. Rivian raised prices on March 1 and initially lost a lot of preorders impacted by this price hike. Realizing that was a fuck up, they changed it so that any order placed before March 1 got the originally pricing. Orders after March 1 went up by about 18%.