Tacoma Vs. Rivian

Efficiency means nothing compared to energy density. Last I heard gas was 100 X that of an ev battery and hydrogen even more. So even though the combustion process isn't as efficient as a direct current to an electric motor, the ICE is still a far better way to power a vehicle.

Personally I think the EV has a future, but it's small cars in urban environments

 

A far better way in what sense? More environmental pollution? Higher operating costs? Less energy utilization efficiency?

 

Efficient in that you don't carry 1000 or 2000 pounds of battery everywhere you go. That's horribly inefficient.

 

The inefficiencies of ICE motors are well documented and not voodoo science like you seem to be insinuating lmao. People much smarter than you and I have run the numbers 100000 times. Feel free to utilize the below resources to view the math that will probably fly right over your head.

https://cefrc.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toruqf1071/files/reitz_princeton-day1-hour1-2018.pdf

https://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node26.html

https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4852&context=ujmm

 

Lol what? How much do you think an engine and transmission weighs? A Tesla Model S weighs like 4500 lbs (1000 of that is the battery), not exactly light but not really horribly overweight. Even with "added" weight if you can even call it that, BEV's are still dramatically more efficient.

"ICE vehicles are inefficient because you carry around a 500 lb motor and 300 lb transmission everywhere you go" - Taco X

 

lol so exactly who did you "hear" this from??



cite your preferred sources please

 

97% of the power in my province comes from renewable sources. I know this isn't the case for every location however. But you can definitely look at what is happening "now." It's not 100%, sure, but it doesn't need to be all or nothing.

 

Rivian: 7,000lbs
Tacoma: 4,500lbs

Nice try

 

Does this do?

https://www.aps.org/publications/ap...s about 100,typically 60-80 percent efficient.

 

Did you just compare a vehicle that can tow 11k pounds to a tiny Tacoma?

Rivian: 7,000 lbs
Ford f250: 7,500 lbs

You swing and miss again, this is getting embarrassing. Shift the goalposts again since you realize BEV's are dramatically more efficient than ICE motors and your initial comment of stating "ICE is still a far better way to power a vehicle." in 2022 is willful ignorance.

 

that was a decade ago... you know

not that it matters


"This difference in energy density is partially mitigated by the very high efficiency of an electric motor in converting energy stored in the battery to making the car move: it is typically 60-80 percent efficient."

 

thats cool, The united states as a whole has about 12%, Canada as a whole is 19%

 

Should’ve got the 3rd pedal mod for the Tacoma..

 

Now you are really showing a lack of knowledge. The Rivian isn't even a full sized truck much less a 3/4 ton. It's heavy because it's an EV

 

Woah a less than 3/4 ton that can nearly tow on par with a f250? That's impressive. It's like your making my points for me about how this is the future lmao...

 

Internal combustion uses 0% renewable energy.

Regardless your numbers are for total energy not just electricity. Canada gets 58% of its electricity from hydro alone.

 

You can tow that amount with a Tacoma. But being able to do something and that being a good idea are two very different things. Yes the Rivian's 1755-pound battery makes it more stable, but how many miles down the road before an ICE vehicle has to come to the rescue. I'm betting you don't get 50 miles based on TFL's testing

 

I agree, the only place that BEV's lack right now is towing with range, something the majority of the population and truck owners don't do. The battery technology simply isn't their to make it viable for long distance towing....yet. Every other year there is major improvements and headway being made in the space because investors recognize it is the future.

https://electrek.co/2022/06/29/tesla-4680-cell-samsung-pilot-production-line-new-battery/#:~:text=June 29-,Tesla 4680 cell: Samsung is building a pilot production,to build the new battery&text=Samsung SDI is reportedly setting,the new battery cell format.

This is from June 28th ^ 2022.

Now try to picture 2035, when all ICE vehicle sales are banned in Europe.... There is a reason Tesla's market cap is greater than the next 10 auto manufacturers combined.

 

The wife and I seriously considered an R1T before the Tacoma. We have a Model 3 and definitely appreciate all the benefits of electric. We’ve taken it on road trips from the CA Bay Area to Utah’s Mighty 5, all throughout SoCal and LV and the Grand Canyon and Portland and it hasn’t been an issue with Tesla’s amazing supercharger network.

However, when it came to a truck, the EA charging network isn’t nearly as easy to use as the Supercharger network. I’ve seen horror stories about slow charging rates, broken chargers etc. With the Supercharger network, everything is displayed right on your vehicle touchscreen. Second, if you do any amount of towing with the R1T, consider your range to be 1/2 or 1/3 of advertised. And even though towing with a gas/diesel truck is the same thing, it takes 5 mins to fill up versus 30-40 mins+ and you don’t need to unhook the trailer which you occasionally may have to do with the R1T depending on charger stall location. Finally, I can carry spare fuel for the Tacoma on trails which you can’t with the Rivian.

So even though it’s a highly capable truck and the future, it didn’t make sense to me and I’ll stick with the Model 3 as our electric of choice. Oh, and the Tacoma has that 3rd pedal!

 

james

you can not read every other line in a book and then pretend to know the entire book

it never works that way james, the teacher will always know