The old 5k or 10k oil change debate

It’s not in the manual, so no.

 

dammit Jim

 

You misread my post. Let me restate. Someone said people mod their trucks because they don’t trust Toyota engineers. Which is absurd. People mod their trucks because they want the truck specialized to their desired use, whether functionally, aesthetically, or both. Toyota can’t design a handful of trims that will perfectly suit everyone. Obviously.

 

Yep, and some of these aftermarket parts don't work out so good. Who's the great engineer now.

 

Needle bearing in front diff? Four-wheel-drive actuator not sealed from water? Rear wheel bearing design? Drum brakes in 2022? Frame design that will literally rot out from under you? The list goes on. Great trucks? Yes. Perfect trucks? Not even close. Do I believe everything an engineer says about everything? Your kidding right?

 

You misread my post. Let me clarify - if Toyota engineers were so good at selecting components for off-roading there would be no need for anyone to replace them. So yeah they’re not trusted by some to do that.

 

I was questioning Toyota's 4.3 rear end, till I got my mind right.

 

To be fair they are not really designed to be an off road vehicle. They’re designed to be a midsize truck and do everything a midsize truck should do. The whole off road thing is marketing because it sells vehicles which is why you can’t trust everything any large corporation tells you.

 

toyota didn't make an offroad version of the tacoma, the offroad trim is about as capable of an offroad vehicle as the sport is a race car.

 

If you don’t trust the Toyota engineer’s then wtf would you buy a Toyota?

 

I trust Toy engineers as much as I trust any engineers. And if and when I depart from stock, I will be playing the automotive engineer, myself. Which I am sometimes comfortable with, or I wouldn't do it.

 

You said it for me. Mass production and the economics of such are the problem, not Toyota engineers. If Toyota built an off road masterpiece it would be horribly expensive and they wouldn’t sell very many. It’s not that you can’t trust Toyota engineers, it’s that the Toyota engineers can’t just do whatever they want. It’s a compromise between capability, affordability, and what the masses want.

Modifications are a completely different topic from oil changes. Not following the OCI in the manual, for the conditions you drive, implies you don’t trust Toyota engineering. Modifying the vehicle doesn’t imply lack of trust, it’s done to make the vehicle better fit the owner’s needs.

 

This has got to be the whiny-est forum on the internet, y'all whine about engineers, salesman, dealerships, service writers, the techs. Jeeze, what a place.

 

As I make this post there are over 300 responses to what is a pretty simple question. What that tells me is that no one here knows ,Jack shit about oil change intervals. I don’t see any automotive engineers or petroleum engineers responding with scientific studies. The responses are all “I”, I do this… I think this…… My truck …….. I change my oil……. Etc. etc.
You can change your oil at what ever interval you want but the only thing you can say for sure is follow the owners manual (unless of course you don’t trust the Toyota engineers)

 

Everyone has their own standards. The problem is, many inject their opinion regarding what the manual says.

At times, owners are passionate about explaining the interactions regarding those opinions...and post their reasoning (conveying by personality/sarcasm).

I wouldn't go as far as saying people don't know "jack-shit" about oil changes...that just shows how passionate this subject matters to people.

 

Tacoma: Can't do the Rubicon trail stock


A bunch of morons:

 

You just can’t trust those engineers.

 

I mean, the Jeep Rubicon was designed specifically to off road! Chrysler engineers totally know what they're doing and Jeeps need zero modifications at all!

(The irony of my statement is my wheeling buddy has both his Jeeps in the shop right now lmao)

 

I have to confess that this tangent that the usually predictable OCI back and forth took is quite a strange one.

 

Easy, do what you feel is right. Easy mo ey for my peace of mind for every 5k. Is it needed, don't know, but makes me feel better.