Tacoma Vs. Rivian

Not a boomer, never said LEDs were inferior. They don’t work in our house. They aren’t perfect either, plenty of industrial quality LED converted traffic lights out there that half the board is dead. Could name 1000s of other applications where there is failure too. They don’t hold up on my trailer either, don’t like being bounced dirt roads is my guess.

What is with the generational insults anyway? Is it a millennial thing feeling triggered? Do you need a safe place? lol!

This thread is almost as bad the oil threads on the dirt bike forum I follow. People get so ingrained what products are best. Nothing is perfect, like humans all products have their flaws.

Yep I know…

My issue with LEDs is, that they are supposed to save you money over the long run, but they really don’t. Kinda like EVs…I actually like the tech, but they won’t be saving you any money. Man…saving the planet sure is awfully expensive, and why is that?

Human caused problems are caused by well…humans. Always thought that less of us is a better answer. Want to reduce resource and energy consumption? Zero population growth until it gets to a more sustainable level is the better solution, though unpopular. It is affordable and non-violent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB97iwcm_Qc

 

Lies, damn lies, and statistics

 

100k on a 2020 200 series would have been a better purchase. No government intervention, acronyms, or anecdotal arithmetic involved.

 

It’s ok you still missed it. This is the part where we just smile and nod at you and move on

 

It wasn't targeted at your posts but your reply still shares of the endemic issues in the post I was actually complaining about -- of course you've seen LED lights fail. I've seen fluorescent and incandescent failures, too. Nobody was implying that they are perfect. Statistically, though, they're better.

I don't have any particular thought on product is "best". Different applications, different fits, different results, etc.

Complains about generational callout, responds generational callout. Old people resisting new technology and using anecdote to fight science is a complaint as old as time. "Boomer" just became a phrase to capture the callout of the symptom that goes back thousands of years.

 

Statistics? Where, I track statistics on almost everything and they aren’t in the lead for me.

Keeping it simple. I haven’t had a single halogen bulb go out in my truck in 4-5 years. I have had 4 LEDs from different brands fail within 1-2 years.

 

Well….since I brought it up. Sure sounded like it was directed at me.

Sure there are failures with all forms lighting. Me personally have more failures with LEDs. Had incandescents last for years and years. Not so much with LEDs.

Ahh yes….statistics, the art of manipulating numbers to make things appear better or worse than others.

 

Just to be clear: tracking numbers on your own purchases is still anecdote not statistics. The failure rate on LED bulbs is 3%. Based on your posts, you're extremely anomalous statistically speaking. Halogen bulb lifetime is measured in a unit called B3. The B3 of a standard H7 bulb is 330 hours meaning that 97% of H7 bulbs will last 330 hours before they begin to fail under normal circumstances. In contrast, 97% of LED bulbs should last 30,000 hours.

I am unconvinced you know what statistics are. Here: in the last 10 years I've owned 5 vehicles with exclusively LED interior and exterior and I've never had a single unit failure and thus LED are perfect. (Hint: they aren't).

Honestly if I were seeing LED bulb failure rates that high I'd be takin' a look at my electrical system.

 

LEDs on my wife’s car have yet to fail in 2 years. But they came from the factory that way. If they last about 5 years or so then they at least lived as long as the halogens. If they last 10 years or the life of the vehicle then I we may have something.

I replaced some of the halogens in my wife’s old Subaru and within 1 year the license plate and a front marker light began to flicker.

Maybe it’s bad luck or maybe you aren’t paying that much attention to it.

At the end of the day, I’ve slowly gone back to Halogen. Even putting in some of the original bulbs that I had pulled out because they still work.

Whether you are convinced or not is moot. It’s a discussion and you won’t have access to my SQL db.

 

I'd honestly wonder if there's something up with the electrical and the drivers aren't handling the conversion to DC well. Flicker is a particularly unusual failure state for an LED because they don't flicker like halogen/incandescent when failing, only when voltage is inconsistent (e.g., functioning like a PWM dimmer).

I don't need it. Statistics require a population size >1 and LED are well studied.

 

First thing I did on the Taco was to replace the interior lights with LEDs simply because they are brighter. We will see if they’ll hold up. Though the dome light is starting to look funky to me.

Have LEDs on my moto trailer, get a year out of those…they don’t like being bounced down washboard roads. Where I had incandescents last years and years. Maybe I should go back to those the next go around.

 

I’ve had LEDS in every situation and they all have flickered. These excuses of wiring are laughable considering I have house bulbs flicker, can lights flicker, map lights flicker, I have even had exterior lighting flicker on a 12v circuit. This isn’t a flicker due to lack of circuit resistance, they are literally just failing.

At the end do the day LEDS struggle in all situations unless they were specifically designed for them.

 

Happy to agree there.

My Volvo XC60 has adaptive LED headlights with washers. They turn as I turn the wheel to ensure that turns are lit and they have a high pressure waterjet for blowing snow/dirt off them. I was skeptical when I bought it -- so many moving components. It's been further off the road than probably most peoples Taco's have on this forum (even slammed some KO2's on it, easily a few thousand miles of washerboards movin' the bikes around) and I haven't had one failure in 3 years. But it's an $85,000 car. Designed fit-for-purpose and paid for it, I guess.

 

After the issues with the dome lights I’ve swapped out for the Meso map lights and dome light. If those fail prematurely I’m just going back to all halogen.

 

Old people resisting technology? What’s considered old then?

I’ve got my own issues with the boomers but that’s a separate discussion.

That said, my personal experience is that old people aren’t resistant to technology they are risk averse to failure. My parents as an example have Starlink, iPhones and everything else but if there is ONE mess up, there is no saving the brand or product.

 

Yep sweeping generalizations get us no where, it is like me assuming that all BMW, Audi, and Volvo owners are douchebags. lol!

Some people think that just because it is new, that is better…not always the case. Have no problem trying new tech, however if it fails tend to go back to what works. Why I continue to buy Toyotas and didn’t go off brand this go around. Sure do like those Rivians, however yet to be proven…and high buy-in cost. Not taking the chance with my money.

 

I’m not sure what the risk is when the buy in is $80k and you can turn around and sell it for over $100k,

 

That’s a risk in and of itself. If you could guarantee that then everyone would do it. If everyone does it then we have a run in Rivian. But there is no guarantee.

 

Are people paying $100k for PO R1Ts?

Why?

I'f I was going to own a Rivian, I would want the company to go out of business, in hopes of the vehicle going up in value on the collector's market.

 

Yes



I don’t know why, and I’m fairly sure none of the sellers question why the buyer of their R1T is doing it either.