Tacoma Vs. Rivian

What is this lock out feature? Aren’t your tie rods still keeping your wheels connected?

 

Ooohhh. Take my money.

 

It’s not available so it’s all speculation. I don’t know how it will work specifically.

 

I was just reading a couple articles about the new EV tax breaks and it sounds like none of the current EVs will meet the made and sourced in the USA requirements. How long will it take manufacturers to start making and sourcing battery materials in the US? Years?

 

Final assembly of vehicles must be in USA. Toyota and VW are building battery plants to make the final assembly done in the USA. HYundai is making plans also. State incentives are not affected by final assembly location.

BEV Vehicles

Make and Model Full Tax Credit
CADILLAC (GM) (does not qualify until 1/1/23)
Lyriq (2023) $,7500
CHEVROLET (GM) (does not qualify until 1/1/23)
Bolt EUV (2022) $7,500
Bolt EV (2022-2023) $7,500
FORD
F-150 Lightning (2022) $7,500
Mustang Mach-E (2022) $7,500
E-Transit (2022) $7,500
MERCEDES-BENZ
EQS SUV (2023) $7,500
NISSAN
LEAF (2022-2023) $7,500
RIVIAN
EDV 700 (2022) $7,500
R1T (2022) $7,500
R1S (2022) $7,500
TESLA (does not qualify until 1/1/23)
Model 3 (2022) $7,500
Model Y (2022) $7,500
Current as of 8/21/22

Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles
Make and Model Full Tax Credit
AUDI
Q5 (2022) $7,500
BMW
330e (2022-2023) $7,500
X5 xDrive45e (2022) $7,500
CHRYSLER
Pacifica Plug-in Hybrid (2022) $7,500
FORD
Escape Plug-in Hybrid (2022) $7,500
JEEP
Grand Cherokee PHEV (2022) $7,500
Wrangler Unlimited PHEV (2022) $7,500
LINCOLN
Aviator PHEV (2022) $7,500
Corsair Plug-in Hybrid (2022) $7,500
VOLVO
S60 (2022) $7,500
Current as of 8/21/22

 

What’s your source for that info?

 

https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/inflation-reduction-act

also

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml

Not final, not all vehicles fit under the price ceiling either.

 

Well, peak daytime demand overloads the local grid's transmission capacity, typically. Hence 'charging at night unlikely to affect things'.
Also, a lot of those are caused by unforseen events - power lines failing, people hitting poles, power plants having maintenance periods and being offline during a demand surge...

 

I read this as, charging at night will cause the same high demand issues as daytime.

 

What I’ve been reading is that if any of the minerals in the batteries come from China or Russia than the tax credit doesn’t apply and that currently pretty much every battery made right now has minerals from either of those places.

 

nope. Just final assembly

 

Where are you getting your info from? This is a quote from a PBS article but there are many others stating the same.

“This is where the new EV tax credit runs into some logistical hurdles. A provision in the bill limits eligibility for the tax credit to vehicles manufactured in North America and powered by batteries whose materials are sourced from the U.S. or its free trade partners. Currently, many American EV manufacturers, including Tesla, rely on battery materials processed in China — a country classified by the bill as a "foreign entity of concern." And any vehicle that was not assembled in the U.S., Mexico or Canada is off the table.”

 

I don't want to dig through the entire bullshit bill to find the specifics of the new EV tax credits so this is from another website about it. This is what I found:

"A percentage of the value of critical minerals in the battery — such as lithium and cobalt — must be extracted or processed in the U.S. or a country that’s a free-trade partner, or be recycled in North America. The requirement starts at 40% and grows to 80% by 2027."


It can be open to interpretation at this level. Most of the critical minerals are not extracted from China, just processed there. If the law is written to as extracted OR processed then most manufacturers will likely still have a qualifying battery. The potential upside to this is the third qualifier on source - recycled in North America. That provides a little more incentive to further refine the recycling process and to do it at home with American jobs.

 

Yesterday was the day for me

 

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml



VIN decoder/qualifier

https://www.nhtsa.gov/vin-decoder

 

Good news for tax rebates and EV purchase incentives.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1564985236802478082?s=20&t=S40cjp4eWsP-zpFxvAxc9g

 

Good luck! Jealous.

 

Sounds like you don’t travel enough, range is a rather important topic, go on any travel site or towing it is talked about in-depth. Probably hearing more about it now with EVs, because it is quite a bit lower than a typical ICE vehicle, and don’t have quite the infrastructure like we have filling stations. Though most peoples charging needs can be done at home. Was absolutely thrilled that my new truck can easily go 400 miles where the old one was barely 265. The downside of these EVs you can’t add range easily like a petroleum powered vehicle. Have seen some talk of extra battery packs, won’t be cheap though.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/37583...e-bed-mounted-battery-pack-for-extended-range

 

That’s for 2022. We’re talking about the new bill that starts in January.

 

Yes it is. most 2023 cars are not out yet and their final assembly locations for later 2023, 2024 etc. MY cars can't be determined because they aren't built yet. In January more info will be forthcoming. Some of the bill is in effect August 16, to Dec 31, 2022.