Keep it or not?

I agree oil is here to stay for a long time but you just spouted so much misinformation about EV's it's not even funny.

You first mention not fully charging batteries to keep their lifespan like a phone battery. I assume you are talking about the dated lithium ion batteries that aren't used in modern Tesla EV's anymore post 2021. (they use LFP now that can easily last 500k+ miles much longer than any ICE motor).
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesm...-year-4-million-mile-battery/?sh=5855848072f4

Also, most commercial lithium extraction is from salt-flat brines through a process of evaporation and chemical recovery. It is 100% more environmentally friendly than drilling for oil, we don't mine the majority of our lithium.

Also hydrogen engines? lmfao, Hydrogen fuel cells have bad theoretical and practical efficiency. Hydrogen storage is inefficient, energetically, volumetrically and with respect to weight. HFCs require a shit ton of supporting systems, making them much more complicated and prone to failure than combustion or electric engines. They are in no way the future to anyone who has done less than 10 minutes of actual research which is why all the capital investment is going primarily towards LifePo4 EV's.

Again, I completely agree oil is here to stay for a long time, not just for gasoline, and the EV infrastructure is still not developed enough to sustain actual large usage by consumers without brown outs, etc. But as we shift that way over a long period of time it will eventually become sustainable. Some food for thought, think about how inefficient it is to have tens of thousands of fuel tankers driving around every single day re-fueling gas stations so that people can then drive to the station to fill up their vehicle. Imagine instead removing all those tankers as well as gas stations from the road and people just plug in their vehicles at home. Think of all the gas stations you pass on your way home from work, all the materials required to build them etc. They would become obsolete like the milkman. Welcome to the year 2052.

 

This is total BOGUS. Total misinformation. I have recently been to these new lithium production sites in Chile where ocean water is pumped 1000 miles via diesel generator. You honestly have no first hand idea of the garbage propaganda that you are reading and believing.

 

A fossil car uses 1800 times as much fossils fuel mass as an EV battery over 400k miles.

13 gallons gasoline needed to very roughly match 400 mi Tesla. Which is about the average gas tank.

Over 400,000 miles:

13000 gallons 36,400 kg. (30 MPG) gas car.

1000 charges, 400kg EV battery.

91 times less mass needed for the EV.

The EV battery can be recycled at least to 95%, which means another 20 times, or 1800 times less mining needed per mile for lithium EV’s battery versus gasoline.

The lithium is just a few percent of the battery mass.

Fossil extraction is far worse than lithium extraction per ton.

Keep in mind, lithium is not burnt. So just a few kg of of it will last for 500,000 km, and then recycled into a new battery. Compared to the hundreds of tons of fuel that would be used to drive the same distance.

Lithium is just a salt, taken from salt flats.

This is a lithium refining facility (“mining” lithium consists of pumping salty brine into these separation ponds):



This is a tar sand oil extraction site:



Your intuition is likely correct regarding which one you would want to live near.

 

@jcayce
Hey pappa, its me your son you've never met. Im willing to put you not being there behind us in exchange for the truck. Being the eldest and all I think its fair

 

I want to live near neither of those in equal amounts.

 

Misinformation l???? Don't think so. Everything l have started is true and very well documented. Unlike yourself, I'm not caught up in the hype. I look at all sides. Good and Bad.

Quoting old information on hydrogen engined doesn't account for present advances. Hence, just like anything else, reveals stillongoing.

You haven't addressed the power supply to power all the EVs, The power isn't available to connect to the power stations or homechargers. The infrastructure ie power plants will have to be built. Imagine the public protests wuth that? Then the time frame to get then online after the environmental assessments, court injunctions etc

The battery life of 500k plus, is theoretical. Still doesn't address the recycling of these rare earth elements, and the toxicity of the mining.

The latest studies have shown that EVs become environmentally clean adter 10 to 12 years of us. When an average of 12 000 mikes is used. Some say as ahort as 8. Others as long as 15. I belive the 10 or so range.

EVs are great for those who buy a new one every 6 or so years. But the longer ownership ones are having battery storage issues . Even now when they are warranted for 8 years, the time after thst is when the major expenses kick it.

The promise of 500k Plus mikes has not been proven in the real world. It is presently as l stafed theoretical.

I'm not against the technology at all. It's just thst the promises are not the reality as of yet.
I can replace an engine for $6,000. A battery pack is double that at least.

Did l already mention when the prices start to get jacked up to gasoline prices. It's already been talked about in several jurisdictions to cover the cost of power stations, and infrastructure. The consumer always pays.

I'm still not a fan of waiting 30 minutes to charge up every 4 or 5 hours of driving. As i make my long distance trips.

All technologies have their benefits, and their problems. But, again. No Misinformation here. What l have said applies to the vast majority of EVs on the road. The onesxprior to the last model year don't just disappear. Nor does the latest technology available apply to the present model year in all EVs produced.

 

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again:
“I swear, some of you MFs will argue about damn near anything; fukcing anything!”

 

Looks at thread title… “ooh, this looks interesting.”

Start off on last few posts. Oh hell no. Goodbye.

 

You have 2 kids? Sell the truck and put the money into a 529 college fund for them, they’ll be using electric cars by the time they are driving.

 

I've owned a Tesla for a couple years now, I'm not caught in hype, unlike you who has probably never owned a BEV. Remind me again what Hydrogen fuel powered car you can purchase today? Also, where can I refuel(recharge?) this non-existent hydrogen powered car? Anyone who mentions hydrogen powered vehicles as a potential future for vehicles is just showing their lack of knowledge on the subject. What do you think about the 100,000 BEV Amazon vans that they ordered? What do you think about the $4B Toyota dropped in BEV production facility? GM dropping $7.7B? How about the $3.7B Ford is investing? The $10B+ from Tesla? You think all these companies and their engineers haven't done research on the viability of BEV vs Hydrogen? a hydrogen fuel cell-powered electric vehicle (FCEV) is positively parsimonious, with an overall efficiency of somewhere around 30 to 35 per cent.

The f150 lightning that has over 100k pre-orders and Ford has doubled production on now three times has a 0-60 of 3.8 seconds and gets 72 MPGe, the future is now old man.

https://electrek.co/2022/01/04/ford...-per-year-by-2023-600k-bevs-annually-by-2024/

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2022/08/20220807-borgwarner.html\

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/25/gm-...id-to-dethrone-tesla-in-ev-sales-by-2025.html

https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/31/t...q1V3iPows-Q6K27MsfP1TlVJmMH6MPCtJgZFnwuw7S4Tu

 

This depends on the battery, of course. Our RAV4 Hybrid has a 10 year warranty on the battery. Replacement cost is estimated to be $3K to $8K for a new battery. Refurbished is cheaper. But I would think pure EV is a bit higher, and most owners will treat them like their iPhones and just pass them along.

 

This is why my next vehicle will be a hybrid, I want to fuck the planet equally….

 

I'm hoping for an 100% BEV Tacoma. Would love to get 70 MPGe and have a 0-60 in under 3.8 seconds like an F150 lightning.

 

That would be cool, be nice to use electric for the commute…and gas for my camping trips. Pure EV just isn’t there yet, could make it work, but I don’t like to have an itinerary when I am exploring.

 

Whatever the future holds I am long on ball bearings and fetzer valves. It's all ball bearings boys. Invest today.

 

And round and round we go with more parroting of misinformation.

 

I do apologize to the OP for having this discussion in his post. As well l do apologize to the other members whom had to deal our conversation.

We both stated our personal opinions. But we shouldn't have done so, for so long, here.

Again, my apologies.

 

I have held on to my 07 access cab for my 8 year old. He desperately loves to drive it, and fears manual transmissions will be gone by the time he grows up. So I keep putting money into old clutch. So he can row gears in 8 to 10 years.




EDIT: In fact, I'm driving to toyota dealership in an hour to pick up all new universal joints 4 the driveline. Not because it's broken, but because it has 300k and I want to rebuild it now, not in 4 years when parts are harder 2 find.