4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

Its probably a good bet that the Hilux will share the same platform as the New Tundra/Tacoma too.

 

Not to the public, but chances are it's going to be the same 2.4 turbo i4 (T24A-FTS) used in the highlander as well as lexus rx and nx 350.

 

Long live the minivan engine!

 

Drat.

That just won't do it for me.

 

I think it will prove to be a better engine compared to the 3.5 at least used for the tacoma, especially paired with a hybrid.

 

Toyota needs to get some turbo engines in the Tacos. More power, better driving experience, better mpg, better everything. Let's go Toyota, you can do it!

 

Whatever it is, if it’s still a cock roach that can’t be killed I will mostly likely get it.

 

Real Icelandic Toyota


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Nobody should be listening to what I say regarding anything Toyota is doing.

I can speculate, I haven't seen anything from Toyota minus the publicly made available spy videos that TFL, and like outlets published.

Between the lack of public info from Toyota, and the doom and gloom economic forecast. Put forth in the media. That's the conclusion I come to.

Again nobody should be getting genuine Toyota info from my posts.

I'd gladly take a Hilux if Toyota wanted to sell them in the US. That's a proven platform.

 

Not to be a hipster and also avoid being hypocritical, I will say part of me rolls my eyes at this phenomenon. I do blame social media trends and us automakers for encouraging it, because some people who have no business being behind the wheel of a truck, especially 3/4 to 1 tons, buy them simply for the appeal or bro-tough image. Not any purposeful need, when they'd do just alright in a Ridgeline or our Maverick.

I am also referring to those who STRUGGLE to pilot these larger vehicles in traffic and are danger to everyone around them, for the sake of image or false sense of safety. Anyway, these types of vehicles pay my bills and keep company stock afloat, so who am I to complain? Plus love them myself, alongside my pavement queens!

Thanks LOL. I disappeared because, there are some shitposts that just made it too competitive for me to be on the defensive while posting here or taking me out of context way too much. Plus, just being super busy! The next generation Lightning looks very interesting to say the least and so do the next Navigator and Expedition offerings on both architectures. I have been swamped with so many internal deadlines as the 2023 Super Duty (P708) prepares for Job 1, with little to no rest, that it did me well to just "sign out" for awhile. I got some of the biggest Toyota intel some months ago, that I opted to also not comment in order to distance the sensitive information from date of access.

Thanks my brother. I admit that I trusted some bad insight on the new GX, which was not of own direct knowledge, but trusting someone else's insight. Their proximity to the next 4Runner, unfortunately didn't equal the same for the GX and I likely got ahead of myself going with their insight. They are still an extremely credible source, but Lexus is just not going to be as easy to know about for them and I can respect that.

I didn't say this, but he seen Toyota mules testing V35A-FTS for both the 4Runner and Tacoma. He alone, isn't 100% it will go to production, as he doesn't have that specific information, as his work concerns the hybrid 4Runner. I believe he might be a TW poster, but very very lowkey like DJinTN is. I am unfortunately the most outspoken and that's not really a good quality.

Toyota has the trucks on two different architectures at the moment, both heavily revised dating back to 2004 when Toyota last fully redesigned each respectively. The Tacoma, a derivative of the 120/150-Series Land Cruiser/GX/N280 4Runner, and Hilux-based on IMV, shared with the Fortuner and ugly ass Innova for developing nations with bad roads and less disposable income (Hilux gets pricey too).

I feel that the updated/MMC (Mid Model Change) Hilux for 2020 fixed a lot of the blandness of the 8th generation Hilux lineup, which itself was the work of designers all the way back in 2012-2013 (see testing in 2012-14 below), to successfully refresh a body design crafted in 2001-2002, in time for launch in mid-late 2015.

Both 2nd and 3rd generation Tacomas and 7-8th generation Hilux, are one and the same essentially. It's time for both to merge and turn the chapter, leaving the early 2000s engineering that created both IMV and 120-Series basis.

2012-13 Mules

2014 prototype testing


I feel that it would be a colossal waste to not make use of TNGA-F for the 9th generation Hilux and 3rd generation Fortuner. Doing another tophat redesign of the IMV frame will ensure the death of Hilux within just a few years, by being legislated out of existence, due to likely existing limitations on that old basis.

Some people as usual in the media have pessimistically speculated that Toyota will just revise the IMV and not merge the two nameplates onto modular TNGA-F. The Tacoma and 4Runner are said to be using F2, versus F1 iteration used by the Tundra, LX, LC300, and Sequoia. What I don't know is, will there be TNGA-F3 for the Hilux instead?

Some information here I refuse to post publicly about the development of TNGA-F and future body on frame products, the next generation Camry (380D Program) because I feel another member of TW provided that information to me privately and off of TW, so I'll leave it to them to spill in detail.

I have found the new Frontiers to be very, very popular in Texas and also NM. And also around here, especially as you get closer to Farmington Hills. My question is some of the regions down south I have seen these Frontiers are rather "below average" income municipalities, so I am confused as to who is buying them at MSRP or markup?

Not to be smug, but per my own background and profession, I can afford anything I want for my own reasons, but I'm not entirely insulated from knowing what's financially feasible for the average American depending on municipality or domicile. Yet in some areas of the Southwest, Tacoma TRD Pros are extremely common anyway and many of them are even post-MMC examples (2020+), that I doubt are used based on the special colors changing every year.

I think other Millennials who buy many of these spruced up OEM 4x4 trucks, are no longer getting entry-mid level luxury cars and are instead going with them as more rugged choices and status symbols. Yet in many cases, financing them to the hilt. I refer to TRD/TRD Pro, Pro-4X, ZR2, Rebel/Rebel TRX, and Tremor/Raptor offerings despite a higher price of entry than average for the nameplate. This wasn't the case 5-10 years ago though.

I could be, but I am not. David has lost the art of stealth. If David still has any industry contacts that "TRUST" him, I doubt they are sharing much of anything with him anymore. You never venture into the position that you let yourself become "the media", as at that point any of us still working in the industry know that anything shared with you is no longer privileged and off the record, plus at risk of becoming public knowledge in the most premature ways.

I do have YouTube accounts, but I do not report on any industry movements in an official capacity, because if I am discovered, I put myself at risk of no longer being trusted with information and then I would have to stoop David's antics, of speculating without any deep iota of knowledge of what's happening.

There's more than 1 engine, which would've been decided on during the first 24 months of planning up to 2019. Design work wrapped in 2020-early 2021 and in order to reach that point, both suppliers and the internal teams, would need set dimensions of virtually every millimeter on the body-in-white.

Haha, yeah hell no. I respect what his intentions are, GREATLY! However, he is shooting himself in the foot in being so public about his identity. As I said above, being so public means only fans of yours in the industry will be willing to slip you intel and not so much anyone else in confidence. I don't really see it that I have "fans" or anything, just people I interact with. Some are other industry folks, who tell me very deep secrets about what they're working on and 70% of it I keep private. Some of the 30%, I either post it myself or I filter it through a middleman, to keep it far away from me as a source.

I was the first person to break the news in February 2020, that the Tacoma would be redesigned for the 2024 model year in September 2023. No media outlets had that inkling, outside of one interview Toyota had in early 2019 with The Drive, discussing the future Tundra and Tacoma, which at the time were for MY 2021 and MY 2023.

This was shortly before a later 2019 massive internal delay for ALL TNGA-F vehicles, which at face value contradicted my earlier reportings in 2016-2019 that the 4th generation Tacoma was on deck for Job 1 in July 2022. Delays happen, but the public is often unforgiving any reporting inconsistencies from an "insider".

This is somewhat correct, as although Toyota develops subsystems longer than vehicle programs or projects, they began this project right after the 2018MY arrived and picked up steam around the MMC for 2020.

Unless it is deemed viable to develop a new manual for high torque and HP applications, forget about it.

LOL, according to none other the man himself below Mike Sweers, in charge of 920B vehicles, today would've been D-Day. I haven't asked him again, but I was told 2-3 weeks ago, it was around November 1st they would assemble them and send them out to road testing after a few rounds at private proving grounds. Road testing = new spy shots! Don't hold me to that, because Toyota sets the schedule for such a thing when it involves spy photography. A change of mind and they could easily just decide to limit them to proving grounds and desolate areas like seen for the current gen Hilux (prototypes) in 2012-2014.

I know much less about Hilux, but I had put out the rumor that it would adopt TNGA-F based on some product planning knowledge I had gotten in late 2019-early 2020.

It would be corporate waste and unnecessary inefficiency to develop a successor to IMV, instead of utilizing the modular benefits of TNGA-F. I have been bothered by Australian media at times implying, Toyota will just reuse IMV and keep it separate from TNGA-F, as they said the same bullshit regarding the Land Cruiser 300 in 2019, before that got debunked and I was publicly proven correct on TNGA-F in 2020 and finally shut up some detractors in the media who doubted credibility of the information myself and others were putting forward about the LC300 and TNGA-F's existence.

According to someone who has been close to these vehicles, V35A-FTS has been tested in mules for the 4Runner AND Tacoma. I don't ask certain questions, because I don't want to ruin the existing trust.

I can understand your perspective on that, with nothing out there for you to see. Toyota's track record has shown they're not above cancelling a project halfway through or even in the pilot phases of production. What I can tell you is, it's coming. GX and 4Runner are coming. Before updating you, I can see that feeling coming through for you of plans maybe falling behind, but DJinTN and I have done our best to keep you all apprised of what's happening.

I am in touch with people working on these vehicles here in Detroit Metro area and some others down in Texas, who let me know of new internal delays. Per example, TFL tried to go against and silence me pointing out, that they were reporting bad information (misinformation) about the next generation Tacoma and some other models.

With time, I was proven to be dead accurate, as I only can "applaud" them on taking "spy" photos and not much else. An amateur photographer was actually the first person to spot Tacoma 920B mules in October 2021, casually driving on the freeway. Seeing that, silly TFL and Car And Driver got people's hopes up for a 2023 MY redesign, despite my warning them about some development plans at Toyota.

I can easily transcribe verbatim what I have been told, but that totally just violates the confidence of my sources and highlights to Toyota how I also accessed some of my own info through corporate backdoors they might be unaware of, which the public wouldn't know about as easily. Often much, corporate finds out about those holes or backdoors, then shuts/plugs them with the quickness. Some cases, they'll bother to retrace if anyone even managed to acquire certain artifacts and if identified, see about threatening you legally. I was tempted to spill a lot of information months ago, but stopped posting to avoid that temptation.

I have confirmed what is a July 2024 Job 1 date for the 4Runner, since some final prototype phases of testing were pushed back to January 2024 and that means, some work is left with final sign off and pilot builds, before Job 1. I haven't asked again what I was told by my source, but it's somewhat around that ballpark. The Tacoma hybrid seems to be "delayed" into 2025, but the regular version according to them is due to arrive for MY 2024 and begin production in TMMBC by December 1, 2023.

The new truck likely will be revealed next spring, with the first spy shots coming this month of the final body in deep vinyl black sheathing or camo print. The first U.S. built examples were probably assembled today here in Detroit at Toyota's Michigan prototype center and photographers need to bring out their long lenses. This information on the first U.S. built examples of prototype 920Bs wearing 99.9% final 2024 sheet metal, came from ******* T. himself. There are some members who know this man's name, but I won't make it public for his job security.

As for Hilux:

The IMV platform is not for the USA and Canada, because consumer needs favor the Tacoma, in being based on a rather upmarket architecture in the 150 Land Cruiser basis, somewhat dumbed down for pickup duty instead. Major difference between 150-Series and N300 Tacoma, is the C-Channel, which will now become fully boxed.


(TO BE FURTHER EDITED FOR CLARITY)

 

I have seen some Frontiers at autozone other parts stores might follow suite, and I have seen a few double cab Frontiers with ladder racks being used by construction companies.

F-150 Tremors seem popular with pro athletes, at least around here.

 

Gawd this would be awesome. Well beyond what I am willing to spend on a mid size truck for sure, but awesome nonetheless.

I'm still liking what GMC did with the Canyon and 2.7, so Toyota, give me some power please.

 

Mr Carmaker thank you for the long and thoughtful reply.
Given everything that has been posted it seems that it’s another 18 months before the first Tacomas are readily on dealer lots … that’s a long time. I sure hope the theory about the current design direction maintains.

 

Until there's a plug-in hybrid, I don't care.

 

Toyota is royally fucking up if the 4Runner is that far out. People won’t wait. I love my 2016, but it is an antique and gas mileage sucks.

 

I mean, they waited about 15 years for a new Tundra. That was also an antique with horrible gas mileage and mediocre capabilities (compared to others). But it was sure reliable.

 

The market is dramatically different now. Way more competition in the SUV space.

 

Gas mileage sucks compared to what? Most body on frames are essentially 18-22mpg depending on size. You can’t have a 5000lb square brick and expect decent mpgs

 

The 4th gen taco will also have a boat mode for crossing small oceans or extremely large lakes. This feature will enable third word country's planet wide to boast the birth of their new Navies!