Tacoma Vs. Rivian

This is like trying to pin the tail on the donkey with you. You brought up the Varsity Blues truck tug of war topic when you said

And then you switch to talking about sled pulling? And comparing a purpose built competition vehicle to a street legal one? The same, but different, but still the same, but different:

Absolutely nobody, not a damn soul, is talking about sled pulling except you. Have you been checked for a stroke recently?

 

Them being affordable doesn’t fit into the narrative of the people who are scared of change, scared of a superior technology, scared of the world outside their bunker.

 

Show me a listing for a $190k Hummer EV & I’ll guarantee you that job with a 100% raise and double the vacation. Hell I’ll even pay for a call girl every Friday for you, although I feel like that would play out like a scene from Rain Man.

Because you seem incapable of saying anything other than gross misinformation, I’ll counter it with the facts. Three (3) vehicles have been impacted by water intrusion into the battery pack. Three. You should be able to count that high without taking off your Velcro shoes. Shall we count the number of Tacomas impacted by frame rust due to water? How about foggy head & tail lights due to water intrusion? Differentials locked up due to… you guessed it… water intrusion? Post something else that’s negligently incorrect, I’ve got nothing better to do than correct your bullshit tonight.

 

Rich enough to actually afford an EV? Stop listening to the Bat-Turd podcast sponsored by Alex Jones on Fox Network. Because research is so difficult for a certain subset of this thread I’ll just continue to spoon feed you the accurate information. Here’s yet another chart, this one shows MSRP of EVs. Looks like a WHOLE BUNCH of offerings under that random $150k figure someone puked up. Yes, Rivian raised their prices since this was published but guess what, it’s still under 150k.



And because I’m having fun with it, here’s what Truecar has to say about nationwide transaction prices for 2023 Tacomas, broken down by trim. The Volt I drive cost less brand new than a few of these Tacoma trim levels. Does that make me rich because I drive a PHEV? Or only partially rich because it’s a plug in and not a pure EV? Or does it make Tacoma owners rich because on average they paid more than a great number of EV buyers?

 

Thank you for the laughs before I go to bed tonight.
Well played sir.

 

Try to least for a moment to separate politics. Not going to even bother to respond to that part of your thread.

I quoted actual figures you clearly have a unique use case. No one can even buy a volt anymore new.
Average new ev is 66k that’s a fact.
https://insideevs.com/news/600554/electric-car-us-average-price-66000/amp/
And it’s also a fact that it is much further out of each for the average Tacoma buyer considering even using your post it’s over 50% more expensive.
The only ev that somewhat compares in price to a Tacoma and is attainable is a Nissan leaf. And they are frankly completely different vehicles.

Back to the topic. This thread is about rivian vs Tacoma. As they are of a similar form factor. Ignoring the fact that the average rivian is double the price of a Tacoma is incredibly ignorant.

No one is questioning the fact that it is faster and has more tech and features. But it also comes with its own drawbacks. Which make everyone who is considering one incredibly defensive for some reason.

I for one have no qualm in admitting that a Tacoma is slow as balls antiquated and requires a lot of fuel.

 

Even CA's 'only EV' standards allow PHEV.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...sold-must-be-evs-plug-in-hybrids-a5735404160/

 

The Rivian is double the price of most Tacomas but that has no bearing on the fact that stating EVs are for rich people is simply false. You can buy several EVs for the same price as a Tacoma and similar in price to comparable gas powered sedans and SUVs.

 

I paid 35k for my Taco TRDORMT and my R4P was 40ish.

 

Maybe one. Depending on model.

New Taco at a decent trim is ~ 30-40.

Only decent EVs ..

Bolt/Bolt EUV.

ID4 - 42k. Ioniq5 - 41k Lightning Pro (lol good luck) 42k, jumping up a lot next year. Niro - 41k MX-3

Unless you want to talk about

MX-30 w/ 100 mile range (34k), Mini SE w/ 114 miles (30k), Leaf - 149 miles (28k)

 

There is a huge difference between the average price and the starting price of an EV. To use the average price of an EV as the cost of an EV, is not understanding the facts.

 

I mean to be fair, that 30k taco will be marked up to shit because fuck dealers, so yeah - if you can get a lightning pro for list price and your taco is jacked up in price... ... but I'll bet you that ford dealer will mark up the lightning pro too.

 

The Hyundai, Kia and VW models were the ones I was referring to and they hover right around the $40k range like most Tacomas. Definitely affordable for the average car buyer that isn’t rich.

 

Sure - and I'm gonna say my Rav does about 80% of what my Taco does. Shuffle around town, runs up to the ski resort in all sorts of weather, whatever... works fine. That said, around here the 'dealer adjustment' moves most of those basic EVs up to about the 50k mark.

 

Not sure why EVs have to be so polarizing. I ordered a Rivian, quad motor adventure package. But the trucks are so expensive, I realized I could buy a performance Tesla plus an older Tacoma DC and still be well under the cost of the Rivian while having the best of both worlds. The Tesla would be higher performing and more efficient, while the ICE Tacoma more ideal for multi-day off-road trips, not to mention not worrying about harming a $100k truck while wheeling. For the Rivian, everything that makes for a great off road truck, reduces the performance of an on-road EV. Off road tires, range loss. Skids, range loss. That is only a factor to a small portion of the buying market that plans to off road the trucks of course. But for me, I found it ideal to separate the daily driver performance EV from the weekend warrior wheeler.

LOL. I hope that is your idea of a joke. Yes the thread is comparing 2 trucks at massively different price points, might as well say Tacoma vs TRX and then slam the Tacoma for being underpowered and the TRX for being too expensive. Yeah sure they are both still trucks of similar form factor. And the Rivian still stomps on the TRX, so there is that. Trying to compare 2 vehicles of a 2x price point spread and argue price is incredibly ignorant if you want to talk ignorance. Your preconditions have already precluded your conclusions in that case.

Yep, just like there is a huge difference between average price and starting price of a ICE vehicle. EV isn't any different. Funny thing though, companies like Tesla and Rivian sell direct to consumers and cut out the unnecessary middle man mark-ups and inefficiencies of the legacy automakers. The legacy automakers still think you should pay huge markups because... consumers will blindly pay. I can order a Tesla on my phone and pay the same flat price as the next guy with no markup. I went to Toyota for a new Tacoma this past year and there was a +$5k 'price adjustment' added to the sticker, because they could. LOL, yeah, ok. My 2015 TRD OR costs $32k out the door, now that same truck costs in the low-mid $50s, and they are going to add $5k on top just because?! You are now deep into Tesla pricing territory selling a dated vehicle on an old platform.

Not to go too far down the EV rabbit hole, but it is worth noting that the Tesla Model Y is on pace to outsell and outproduce production of the almighty F150 this year, becoming the 4th most mass produced vehicle of 2022. And it is only just starting the EV surge.
https://insideevs.com/news/617777/tesla-modely-sales-estimated-top-five-globally/

If you don't want/like an EV don't buy one. But for those of us that have already made the transition, all the anti-EV talking points about why they won't work are so obviously just vaporware. I've driven mine across state over multiple mountain passes several times, range was never an issue. Performance is unreal. Supercharging is ridiculously fast and cost almost nothing, which I've only done out of curiosity and not need because again, range is a non-issue. Charing at home is 1000x more convenient than stopping at a gas station. I have supercar performance in a 4 door sedan that costs pennies on the dollar to run compared to ICE. I did not purchase an EV to be green or as a cost saving vehicle (they are not), I purchased it for the best performance and as a superior vehicle to an ICE alternative. Argue all you want, but the EV change is here and is happening now.

 

Can I have an approved list of criteria I'm allowed to look at when comparing two things, because to most sane people price would be one of those factors.

 

If you actually use your ICE truck for truck things, you can't replace it with a Hyundai, Kia or VW EV.

 

Is there another EV truck more similar to the Taco on the market that we should be talking about instead?

 

That's exactly it. His trolling continues...

 

The facts always sting like a bee. When facts are disclosed they never admit they're wrong either.