1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

The LED SAE J583 Fog Pod & Fog Light Review

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by crashnburn80, Jun 20, 2018.

  1. Nov 2, 2022 at 11:57 AM
    #6141
    memario1214

    memario1214 Hotshot Offroad Moderator Vendor

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2009
    Member:
    #23628
    Messages:
    20,101
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Colton
    Missoula, MT
    Vehicle:
    SOLD - 05 Dub Cab TRD Sport 4x4, CURRENT - '21 Tundra MGM Limited
    We can help ya out here at Hotshot Offroad when you decide to take the plunge! :cool:

    I personally run maxes and swear by them in our MT winters.
     
  2. Nov 2, 2022 at 12:43 PM
    #6142
    Too Stroked

    Too Stroked Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2017
    Member:
    #208501
    Messages:
    3,882
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Tom
    South shore of Lake Ontario
    Vehicle:
    2021 4Runner SR5 Premium
    Same here in upstate New York.

    And I wouldn't buy automotive lighting from anybody else but Hotshot Offroad!
     
    memario1214[QUOTED] likes this.
  3. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:01 PM
    #6143
    crashnburn80

    crashnburn80 [OP] Vehicle Design Engineer

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2015
    Member:
    #156893
    Messages:
    14,752
    Gender:
    Male
    Kirkland, WA
    Vehicle:
    2003 DCSB TRD OR
    Heated lenses would be great for a fog for those in cold climates, rather than relying on power thermals and lens energy absorption from selective yellow filters to generate heat. While the later can work in high power lights, it also takes some time for the lamp to heat up, especially if the lamp is already at freezing temps. JW Speaker and many others have heated lenses for headlights, and when the heaters kick on it is near instantaneous. Of course everything comes with a price, lens films for resistance heaters to achieve a proper heated lens may reduce output intensity by ~10%.
     
    Diode Dynamics and Toy_Runner like this.
  4. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:04 PM
    #6144
    Darthyota

    Darthyota Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2012
    Member:
    #70487
    Messages:
    507
    Gender:
    Male
    Alberta
    Vehicle:
    Blown BSP X-Runner
    TRD s/c @ 9lbs, Unobtanium Welding 321SS Full Race Exhaust, B&M s/s, TRD 1st Gen CAI, sittin sic track ready drop, TSW Tanka's with 275/40/18's all the way around, 4300k hid's in headlights and fogs, with more to come
    10% drop for stock looking fog with heated lenses worth it, especially in the conditions where you need em.
     
  5. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:12 PM
    #6145
    crashnburn80

    crashnburn80 [OP] Vehicle Design Engineer

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2015
    Member:
    #156893
    Messages:
    14,752
    Gender:
    Male
    Kirkland, WA
    Vehicle:
    2003 DCSB TRD OR
    Definitely agreed. Fogs are a tool for the worst weather, and for many that includes snow. And if the weather defeats the tool by covering it and blocking the light output, then that 10% difference doesn’t matter at all. For myself, fogs are almost exclusively a snow tool, hence why I view operating and lens surface temp as important.
     
  6. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:14 PM
    #6146
    Darthyota

    Darthyota Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2012
    Member:
    #70487
    Messages:
    507
    Gender:
    Male
    Alberta
    Vehicle:
    Blown BSP X-Runner
    TRD s/c @ 9lbs, Unobtanium Welding 321SS Full Race Exhaust, B&M s/s, TRD 1st Gen CAI, sittin sic track ready drop, TSW Tanka's with 275/40/18's all the way around, 4300k hid's in headlights and fogs, with more to come
    Yeah same here although I dont generally get the wet sticky snow of the pnw
     
  7. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:17 PM
    #6147
    daveeasa

    daveeasa FBC Harness Solutions

    Joined:
    May 14, 2020
    Member:
    #328079
    Messages:
    7,445
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    David
    PNW
    Vehicle:
    2016 Tacoma OR DCSB 6MT, 2005 RC 5MT PreRunner, 2002 Tundra SR5 RCLB 4x4
    I don't fully understand why resistive heating is needed over the lens vs the circle of the housing? Wouldn't that be adequate for a round pod? Or am I showing my Hawaiian roots with idiocy now?

    I would want all this extra stuff tied to to the mirror heat button for the "baby it's cold outside" moments.
     
  8. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:21 PM
    #6148
    Spike Spiegel

    Spike Spiegel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2019
    Member:
    #309219
    Messages:
    180
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2019 Super White Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-road Premium
    Eibach Pro Truck Lift, JBA High Caster UCA’s, Falken Wildpeak 275/70/17, Spidertrax Spacers
    I would imagine with it not being fully enveloped the center of the lens wouldn't defrost. Same reason the rear window grid is focused center out.

    Visit WA sometime in the winter and I'm sure you'll see why if you go through the passes.
     
    Toy_Runner likes this.
  9. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:21 PM
    #6149
    Darthyota

    Darthyota Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2012
    Member:
    #70487
    Messages:
    507
    Gender:
    Male
    Alberta
    Vehicle:
    Blown BSP X-Runner
    TRD s/c @ 9lbs, Unobtanium Welding 321SS Full Race Exhaust, B&M s/s, TRD 1st Gen CAI, sittin sic track ready drop, TSW Tanka's with 275/40/18's all the way around, 4300k hid's in headlights and fogs, with more to come
    Depends on the outdoor temps and the snow conditions. But a light that doesn't have enough excess thermal energy isnt going to transfer that heat to the lens as plastic is a reasonably decent insulator, especially when compared to the aluminum cooling fins of the housing.
     
  10. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:22 PM
    #6150
    daveeasa

    daveeasa FBC Harness Solutions

    Joined:
    May 14, 2020
    Member:
    #328079
    Messages:
    7,445
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    David
    PNW
    Vehicle:
    2016 Tacoma OR DCSB 6MT, 2005 RC 5MT PreRunner, 2002 Tundra SR5 RCLB 4x4
    Definitely planning to do some of that and excited about it. Got my chains ready, even practiced installing on my snows before I put them on. First winter in the PNW and we are excited!
     
    Spike Spiegel[QUOTED] likes this.
  11. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:23 PM
    #6151
    daveeasa

    daveeasa FBC Harness Solutions

    Joined:
    May 14, 2020
    Member:
    #328079
    Messages:
    7,445
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    David
    PNW
    Vehicle:
    2016 Tacoma OR DCSB 6MT, 2005 RC 5MT PreRunner, 2002 Tundra SR5 RCLB 4x4
    I was thinking an aluminum ring with some way to run power through it via that 4th pin of the deutsch connector, assuming ground, fog power and backlight are the other 3.
     
    Spike Spiegel likes this.
  12. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:29 PM
    #6152
    Spike Spiegel

    Spike Spiegel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2019
    Member:
    #309219
    Messages:
    180
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2019 Super White Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-road Premium
    Eibach Pro Truck Lift, JBA High Caster UCA’s, Falken Wildpeak 275/70/17, Spidertrax Spacers
    Maybe we can all have a winter get together with beers. What say you @crashnburn80?
     
    daveeasa[QUOTED] likes this.
  13. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:29 PM
    #6153
    crashnburn80

    crashnburn80 [OP] Vehicle Design Engineer

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2015
    Member:
    #156893
    Messages:
    14,752
    Gender:
    Male
    Kirkland, WA
    Vehicle:
    2003 DCSB TRD OR
    As mentioned, the plastic lens will be an insulator, heat will not radiate from the extremities to the inner lens very well. However hot edges can reduce some snow buildup, but if it is sticky snow it still may coat and block the lens. The higher power white pods already benefit from this where the aluminum outer ring gets hot, but the lens has no heat. However, if you are going through the trouble to make a heated lamp, you want it to work in the worst conditions, not just some of the conditions. For that to happen, the entire lens needs to be heated. No need for switches to activate the heaters, they self activate based on temp. No additional wiring or complexity.
     
    Spike Spiegel likes this.
  14. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:30 PM
    #6154
    Darthyota

    Darthyota Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2012
    Member:
    #70487
    Messages:
    507
    Gender:
    Male
    Alberta
    Vehicle:
    Blown BSP X-Runner
    TRD s/c @ 9lbs, Unobtanium Welding 321SS Full Race Exhaust, B&M s/s, TRD 1st Gen CAI, sittin sic track ready drop, TSW Tanka's with 275/40/18's all the way around, 4300k hid's in headlights and fogs, with more to come
    Certainly possible but the aluminum ring would have to be heated to a pretty high temp to maintain lens cleaning when its 14°f and snowing hard
     
  15. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:38 PM
    #6155
    crashnburn80

    crashnburn80 [OP] Vehicle Design Engineer

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2015
    Member:
    #156893
    Messages:
    14,752
    Gender:
    Male
    Kirkland, WA
    Vehicle:
    2003 DCSB TRD OR
    Always down. Aside from the typical light shows at my place, last group beers event we did was here.

    An additional complication, is many vehicles have very recessed fogs, like early 2nd Gen, which then turn into massive snow buckets. Even if the edges are hot they can be overwhelmed by snow packing in. The entire surface needs to be hot.
     
    Spike Spiegel[QUOTED] likes this.
  16. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:40 PM
    #6156
    Darthyota

    Darthyota Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2012
    Member:
    #70487
    Messages:
    507
    Gender:
    Male
    Alberta
    Vehicle:
    Blown BSP X-Runner
    TRD s/c @ 9lbs, Unobtanium Welding 321SS Full Race Exhaust, B&M s/s, TRD 1st Gen CAI, sittin sic track ready drop, TSW Tanka's with 275/40/18's all the way around, 4300k hid's in headlights and fogs, with more to come
    I know I dont know why they recessed the fogs so much on the 05-13 trucks
     
  17. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:47 PM
    #6157
    crashnburn80

    crashnburn80 [OP] Vehicle Design Engineer

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2015
    Member:
    #156893
    Messages:
    14,752
    Gender:
    Male
    Kirkland, WA
    Vehicle:
    2003 DCSB TRD OR
    Certainly an extreme case for the 05-11. But even the Gladiator/Wrangler fogs are recessed too, not to the same extent, but enough to be problematic in snow.
     
  18. Nov 2, 2022 at 5:59 PM
    #6158
    Mix 99.3

    Mix 99.3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2022
    Member:
    #409675
    Messages:
    73
    @Diode Dynamics

    Hello, I'm going to have a shop install your Subaru Ascent fog light kit on my Subaru Ascent and I was wondering if I'll need to buy the relay and fog light button separately? What about the mounting screw and j nut? (I only know of these items because I've read other people say they needed them when they installed theirs -- but I'm having a shop do it so I'm not sure if I need to do anything extra besides purchase the kit?)
     
  19. Nov 2, 2022 at 6:25 PM
    #6159
    crashnburn80

    crashnburn80 [OP] Vehicle Design Engineer

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2015
    Member:
    #156893
    Messages:
    14,752
    Gender:
    Male
    Kirkland, WA
    Vehicle:
    2003 DCSB TRD OR
    Welcome! Does your Subaru have factory fogs?
     
  20. Nov 2, 2022 at 6:56 PM
    #6160
    Pibbles99

    Pibbles99 One more cast

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2015
    Member:
    #168608
    Messages:
    5,100
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Brian
    Southern NH
    Vehicle:
    21 OR dbl cab
    Would the Diode Dynamics SS3’s pros create sufficient lens heat during storms? We get our fair share of bad storms in the NE


    Thanks
     

Products Discussed in

To Top