Tacoma Vs. Rivian

But the “media” does report Tesla crashes, like other manufacturer’s cars don’t crash.

Prepared people bring a credit card, paranoid people pack a spare like this: https://martianwheels.com/products/...pare-tire-kit-complete-kit-with-carrying-case

 

Prepared people bring a credit card? That’s hilarious. Do you never leave the city?

 

If your shit breaks down in the middle of nowhere, you get a tow and you get it fixed. This is the same with every car. Are you fucking stupid?

Obviously if you can fix it on the spot, you do that.

 

I don’t consider a flat tire breaking down or worthy of a tow. If you have a spare you can change it and be on your way in 20 minutes. You get a flat at night with just your credit card and you’re screwed until the next day when someone can fix it for you.

 

That’s the great thing about a credit card, it works at hotels too. I guess you answered my previous question…

 

I wonder if a moose would take a card in exchange for a tow?

 

Are you guys walking to pay phones when your car breaks down?

 

Nope, I bring tools and own a toyota.....

 

So after you hit a moose, you just put your truck back together?

 

Massive disappointment of an "Overland Test"

I'll paste my comment from that video here.

I'm prepared for the visceral attack on my person.

I'm with @DADventureTV on this one. Coming from Expedition Portal I expected a lot more. I wanted actual, practical questions answered based off of real world experience. No worthwhile questions were actually answered.

Yes, it has a 'flat' bottom to protect the batteries. What is it made of? Is it 3/16" plate like you find on any serious set of skids for almost every other truck from every aftermarket manufacturer? I doubt it. And even 3/16" plate isn't bulletproof. Everyone constantly talks about the 15" of clearance, which is fine and all, but it isn't some magical number that implies offroad superiority. Worrying about your diff clearance to the ground is hardly a realistic metric in the real world. Very rarely do diffs every actually touch the ground, because they are where your wheels are, and your wheels should be on the obstacle you are tackling. Many parts of many other ICE trucks are well above 15" above the ground, from the factory. The R1T has a constant 15" of ground clearance, which is likely a hindrance in all honesty. The part of my Tacoma that touches the ground the most is 16.8" from the ground, and many places under the truck are over 20" from the ground!

Where are you going to mount a set of sliders? This is arguably the first and most beneficial modification to any truck that wants to go offroad. Kissing a rock with your rocker panel is very expensive to remedy, even without batteries being in the vicinity. This almost happens to you at the 9:30 mark. Quite poor performance for a vehicle with its ever hyped up 15" of ground clearance.

And why all of the fancy gizmos? Why can't the center console just open mechanically like literally every other car. No wonder why it cost $90,000, a price that will turn off countless prospective buyers. It's simply too expensive. And definitely too expensive to actually overland with.

You mentioned having a hard time opening the charging port due to mud, and then go on to show the R1T at the 6:26 mark and it is barely dirty. It has a light coating of muddy dust on it. It barely qualifies as dirty. And that was causing issues with the charging port opening? I'd hate to see how it functions when it's actually dirty. But no biggie, all you have to do is find a carwash, or dirty up the windshield cleaning fluid at a gas station, or carry water to clean your charging port door so it can open. Totally normal things for an overlanding machine!

You also mention that it has a mode that levels the truck at camp. This takes 15 MINUTES to do! In 15 minutes my truck is leveled, my AluCab is open, and I am already asleep! All without requiring any of my precious electricity/gas to complete.

I'm not even going to touch on the range thing. It has been thoroughly debunked by other YT channels. You provide zero useful insight into battery usage, mileage traveled, terrain, etc. We have no way to validate or understand your claimed 300 miles, conserve mode or not.

Also, what is the fascination with the 850 hp and the 3.5 second 0-60 for an Overland test video? Why are you hyping up a drift mode? Is the Rivian just a bigger side by side? Is it's focus on destroying the trail system by sliding around corners like a teenager? Where are the tread lightly policies that ExpedPortal should be promoting, as they say they care about it? Why on earth would you ever need to take off from a dig, on dirt, out in nature, at full throttle? How dangerous is this thing going to be on a road like South Senator Highway in central AZ? How ridiculous is it that a ~7,000 lb truck (when empty), ~8,600 lb when loaded up can accelerate to break neck speeds in between each blind corner? Again, it's just a bigger, harder to slow down side by side.

It's as if any CJ5 Wrangler, or 22re powered Toyota truck, with their ~80 horsepower, have never been able to go offroad, or climb any ledges, or anything like that. Gobs and gobs of power are not necessary to drive offroad.

Finally, the way this truck is performing, especially at the 1:59 mark, is embarrassing. That tiny step has to be 13" tall? Maybe 16"? So not even half the height of the tire. And all we see is wheel spin, despite the truck actually having power applied to all 4 wheels. This is an obstacle that I would not even think twice about, let alone spinning tires, rolling backwards, and then bumping my way over it. It's embarrassing for a truck that constantly gets placed on an offroading pedestal to perform so poorly. You hit a rock so viciously at the 10:12 mark with your front passenger tire as well. You have to hit it that hard because momentum is the only way you can get this bloated behemoth, with all of its tech between you and the wheels, up a slightly rocky, inclined trail. There's little to no control. Which is just silly. Gearing and Low Range trump all this horsepower and tech every day of the week.

This reminds me of guys online who talk about being able to "get my 2wd where guys with 4wd wouldn't dare to go!" because they will simply pin the accelerator and bash their way to the top. No control, no ability to preserve the vehicles systems. Just point it up the hill and hit that throttle!

I think the problem is, the term Overlanding has shifted to hitting FSR's for a night or two and then high tailing it back to town. It isn't spending 8 days in The Maze, or traveling across the entirety of the Arizona Strip while spending time living out of your vehicle. It's quick photos for Instagram and then back into town for coffee.

If you wanted to title this video something along the lines of "Check out this cool futuristic truck while we highlight basic information about it" that's one thing, and my opinion wouldn't be shared. But you titled this an "Overland Test" video,, and then give us absolutely no practical overlanding information, other than maybe the fact that you can add an additional 1,600 lb to an already bloated machine!

For folks as well traveled and as well respected as you are (I'm a huge fan and I'm on ExpedPortal 5 days a week), we all wanted you to step up your analysis, providing us with more real life information. Information that only a set of experts such as yourself could provide. Instead, we get the same boring, hyped up, influencer crap.

I drive a PHEV as well. I love electric vehicles and solar panels and all of that. My house has them. I love doing my part to be sustainable. But electric vehicles need to be consigned to being passenger cars, not offroading machines.

 

I didn’t know you could post such long comments on YouTube.

In regards to the battery protection. I thought they said it was Kevlar protecting the battery but I don’t see that here: https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-underbody-made-of

In regards to the sliders, Optima has something on their SEMA R1T and R1S. I’m not sure if they are purely steps or designed to hold the weight on these chunky vehicles.



EDIT: they are just running boards

 

Same with my F80 M3. The fix a flat only works if it's a small hole, a bolt through the tire will not get fixed and you'll be stuck on the side of the road waiting for a flatbed........

 

It will “overland” as well or better than most people on this site use their trucks. It won’t overland on a long cross country expedition anywhere near as well as a purpose built gas rig, mainly due to range restrictions and weight in my opinion.

 

You stay in a hotel if you get a flat tire? What if you had some place to be? Sorry kids, i got a flat tire and can’t pick you up at school you’re going to have to spend the night there while I’m in a hotel.

 

There’s a big difference between hitting a moose and getting a flat tire. One happens almost never, the other can happen at anytime. My wife got two flat tires in one month this past summer.

 

Y'all are still debating this thing? It's not for everyone and for every situation. No spare tire is part of that.

Last time (and only) time I had a flat on the road was with my trusty 4Runner with it's trusty full size spare. All good... Except two tires went down. What kind of "overlander" truck doesn't come with two full-size spares?!

Edit:

I've hit more moose and deer than I've had flats.

 

What if? What if? What if?!

You must live a shitty life paranoid of what could happen.

 

If the no spare tire concerns anyone, you can buy one on your own. Just because the manufacturer didn’t supply one, you don’t have to do without.

 

I don’t like not having a spare, I think it’s dumb to not include one. I am getting one next Saturday.

 

Just so you know, we can all see that Turd is clearly besting you in this thread. You are losing.

The number of times you have directly insulted his person or his 'shitty life' paints a clear picture for us.

The good thing is you'll only be here until 2024 (as of now) waiting for your truck to finally be ready.