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2022 Tacoma DCLB not starting after 2900 miles

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Kosta2009, Nov 23, 2022.

  1. Nov 25, 2022 at 4:25 PM
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    Hm I’ve seen like 20 or so folks on TW with early battery issues in the last 4 years. I wouldn’t say they are notorious for that at all.
     
  2. Nov 25, 2022 at 4:44 PM
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    The original statement you made was not correct. However, I do not have a problem with your subsequent statement.

    To answer your question, yes a discharged battery puts extra stress on the alternator. It is considered a load (or sink) to the alternator which is generating a voltage above that of the battery. BUT, that does not change the fact that one function of the alternator is to charge the battery.
     
  3. Nov 25, 2022 at 4:46 PM
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    You do you.
     
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    Of course an alternator charges the battery. How can anyone not know this?
     
  5. Nov 26, 2022 at 5:24 AM
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    While it will perform that task, that it NOT the intended purpose of the alternator. It's job is to provide power for the electrical loads. A normal starting event doesn't discharge the battery really at all. You can prove this to yourself by measuring voltage, then cranking the engine for 3 seconds or so and turning the key off, then measure the voltage again afterwards. The voltage might be lower by a .1V or so, but nothing notable. This is NOT creating a low state of charge condition which will require the alternator to work it's ass off to bring the battery back up to a full state of charge. If the alternator had to bring the battery back up from 10 or 20% state of charge every time the engine was started, the alternator wouldn't last a month. A battery CHARGER, on the other hand...is specifically designed to charge dead or low batteries.

    That's what I'm trying to explain here.
     
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  6. Nov 26, 2022 at 11:16 AM
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    Let's say a battery loses approximately 4% per week due to parasitic loads and chemistry if not _______ by the alternator. [Fill in the blank with the word or phrase of your choice].
    Let's say a battery floating voltage is 12.8V.
    .04 x 12.8 = 0.512V
    A deeply discharged battery is anything below 10.5V

    After about 4weeks of the alternator not ________ the battery as the vehicle is driven, the battery will be discharged to the point of irreversible damage due to deep discharge. [Again, fill in the blank].
    It's unlikely you can bring it back to a "full charge" state from that condition. These deep discharges are cumulative.
    You can use a "charger" (we know what you mean by this) and try to reverse some of the degradation, but a good deal of damage is already done, and it's ability to hold a full charge has been compromised.

    We already went over why there's a battery in the vehicle. However to say an alternator does not ________ the battery is just plain incorrect. [See above].
    You're not as misunderstood as you think you are.
     
  7. Nov 26, 2022 at 11:59 AM
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    An alternator does both jobs and is designed to do so.
     
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  8. Nov 26, 2022 at 1:23 PM
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    You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
  9. Nov 26, 2022 at 1:50 PM
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    Just today for the 3rd random time my wife's 17 Wrangler was dead. Intermittently had zero.....nothing. Start with the simple things first. It was a loose negative terminal after a battery swap 3 months ago.
     
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