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Convert OE Kings to LT spec

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Stagarm, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. Dec 3, 2022 at 1:13 PM
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    Stagarm

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    Debunked by @AccuTune Offroad. DO Not do this to your oe coilover!!

    Wish I knew this before I took a loss on selling my oe performace kings and now waited 20+ weeks for long travel spec kings.

    If you have a set of oe kings and end up going with a long travel kit you can convert you coilovers to LT spec.

    All you need.
    -3” extended rod end: Part number: KRS-25005-004.
    -Rised spring plate KRS-25301-003
    -16"x3" spring
    -And based on your lt kit and oe coilover 1.5" misalignment spacers.

    Couple hundred bucks and you have LT spec coilovers.
     
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  2. Dec 5, 2022 at 1:45 PM
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    I’m not a long travel guy, but this seems odd to me. Do shocks with collapsed length, extended length, and valving designed for a stock truck work well in a long travel configuration?
     
  3. Dec 5, 2022 at 2:22 PM
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    Ditch the
    The rod is 8" long. Behind the spacer and extra high spring plate is the rest of the rod. See attached image

    rod_end_spacer.jpg
     
  4. Dec 5, 2022 at 2:34 PM
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    I get it, but aren’t you giving up some shock travel and damping? You would at the very least need to re-valve them, yes?
     
  5. Dec 5, 2022 at 2:46 PM
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    The limit is going to be your cv axles, uca hitting wheel well at bump and uca uniball maxing at droop. Really can only cycle 13.5"ish of travel.

    https://youtu.be/o9UyexuN9xw

    I agree they will need to be retuned. coilovers are not a just plug and play. Every LT rig needs to be tuned.
     
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  6. Dec 5, 2022 at 2:54 PM
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    Adding longer rod ends sounds similar to adding a top hat spacer. Will you not need to restrict up/down travel? What are the collapsed and extended lengths on a king shock designed for a LT kit? Are they not different than stock? I’m not a LT guy, so excuse my ignorance.

    @AccuTune Offroad, does this add up in your mind?
     
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  7. Dec 5, 2022 at 3:04 PM
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    16" collapsed 24" extended.
    Here is a the total choas spec kings. They have the extended rod end and raised spring plate to clear cv axle.

    86222-E_Fenderwell_01_250efdd0-0223-4922-b108-582962cedef2_1200x1200.jpg
     
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    I don’t see how changing those components would lead to turning >6” into 8” of shock travel.
     
  9. Dec 5, 2022 at 3:10 PM
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    Agree. Limited beacuse of the rod spacer and exta tall spring plate.
     
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    The oe kings have a 8" rod. Beneath the rod spacer and spring plate is the rest of the rod.
     
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    x2 I don't follow this logic at all.

    Shock travel on an extended length King is about 5.3". TC kits call for roughly 8" travel shock. Changing springs, rod ends etc wont change the fact the shock can only cycle 5.3".


    This is why Camburg developed their Trail Series kit. It retains the extended length shock but has bigger motion ratio to gain some more travel.
     
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    Out of curiosity, what is the typical motion ratio on LT kits? I’m assuming it is less than stock based on this thread
     
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    .58"

    stock is about .53"
     
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    I was taking 1/x, but ok not much difference. 3 more inches of shock travel? I’ll have to think about this later. Gotta take the girlfriend out for dinner. Laters
     
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    With the rod spacer removed and standard raised spring plate the coilover cycles 8"
     
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    can you show us? or what data are you going off of to make these claims? Genuinely curious as are many others in this thread.
     
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    Surly send me one oe king
     
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    I stand corrected its closer to 7.5"

    df4359e68b2419dc5d034f1e4847880e.jpg
     
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    I know jd fab has their lt spec king coilovers built with 7.5” stroke. You truly may be onto something here.
     
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    Except that if you open up the shock and remove the 1/2 inch spacer inside the shock body you now have an 8 inch stroke shock.
    OP… measure the shock body of a OE king and a true LT spec King shock.
    LT spec king shock body is 12 inches from the bottom of the top cap to the top of the bottom cap
     
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