Toyota hydrogen testing

Damn. Well, that's certainly inefficient.

 

Yup. That's part of why hydrogen doesn't really have a great road forward. The biggest reason hydrogen vehicles exist is it's the easiest way to make a zero local emissions vehicle. If someone can make a cost efficient catalytic method for generating hydrogen then it might become more feasable long term.

There are also issues with the storage (hydrogen leaks out of EVERYTHING) and fuel cells, but that's a whole novel...

 

Actually, it’s the greatest revolution in power motors since the internal-combustion engine—greater than that! It wipes everything out—and makes everything possible. . . . Who’ll want to look at a Diesel?

 

Sorry, DEF, EGRs, and all the regs have gutted diesels for private daily use.

 

Shhhh, it's a quote from a book!
(@Pixeltim understands.)

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJjKwSF9gT8

 

Far too many disillusioned people are being encouraged to conveniently forget that the majority of electricity in the United States is generated from natural gas …..

 

I should read that book, I guess.

 

Yeah, I live in Madison, WI. The people here are so proud to be driving "pollution free" Tesla and other plug in electric cars without ever considering where the electricity to charge them come from. Our power company is conveniently named "Madison Gas and Electric". They did upgrade the power plants a few year from coal to natural gas, so there is that.

 

Far too many drink the kool-aid in general. Vehicle emissions are about 9% of global emissions, so curbing them in a few rich countries doesn't touch the industrial revolution level stuff pumped out elsewhere. The laws and regulations have nothing to do with preservation of the environment and everything to do with power and money.

That's as much as I can say without getting a hammer.

 

Yeah, inconvenient truths have dire consequences.

 

Hilariously ironic film title that was. People forget that documentaries are just an opinion piece put to film, but so many eat them up as 100% proven fact. Thinking for oneself is a dying trait.



We need a new plague.

 

Idk, it seems to me we are suffering from a relatively new plague...

 

It's easier to store and move hydrogen than electrons. We already have pipelines all over the place and we have lots of experience moving fluids wherever we need them.

The recharge is more similar in terms of execution and time required to filing the fuel tank on an ICE car than to recharging a BEV.

It's obviously different in different parts of the world but 50% of our electricity is still coal fired so I just roll my eyes when people talk about BEVs being "clean".

 

How much energy does it take to distill a barrel of oil vs the energy that's in the products?

 

Oh, not this weak sauce thing. I mean another small pox, spanish flu, bubonic plague, etc. level event. We've grown fat and complacent as a species, but because we require conflict/struggle we are fabricating nonexistent issues and blaming each other for them. The oppression olympics are in full swing because nobody knows what it's like to have REAL problems.

 

They started doing that here then reversed course and decided to start mining for coal in parks in the mountains instead.

 

Oh, I didn't mean Covid... lol. But yeah, I do tend to agree with you. Or perhaps a large asteroid.

 

I thought maybe you meant stupidity.

 

Right, but generating electricity from natural gas to them use that electricity to split hydrogen from even more natural gas is definitely not better than using the electricity that was.originally generated directly. Adding more steps is not better then less steps.