Next Tacoma

Discontinuing the bestselling mid-size truck in the USA?

 

Unfortunately, yes. Someone else confirmed that on here too, stating it would a 2 year run and then be discontinued.

 

Uh Toyota showed a production concept BEV midsize truck they said will be made. What are your sources on the engines?

 

It will, just not for the Tacoma. My source is out of Plano, off of Headquarters Drive.

It doesn't make sense to me, but it was previously expected to be T24A-FTS, Hybrid Max, and V35A-FTS. There's no Tacoma BEV on deck for now.

 

So you work at Toyota, for Toyota or know a source at Toyota?

 

So there will be 4 engines in a vehicle that only sells 250k a year?

well, When it gets announced officially, Ill come back to this thread, and we will see who is right.

you or TFL.. Or the other Vloggers with close ties to Toyota like Kirk Kriefels and Automotive press who were saying similar things as TfL at least a year ago.

 

I've previously commented a few times on what I do for a living and refrain from being too transparent about my own identity for good reason. I know many sources at Toyota, as well as several who work with Toyota. Not to mention, I have eyes on many things the general public won't as a member of the automotive industry. It is definitely not the former.

 

Automotive Press and Kirk Kriefels have spotty credibility and piggyback off of discussion from former and current Lexus Enthusiast members, who know just about the most regarding Toyota's future in the online space. Outside of press events, they are not "close" to Toyota. TFL never seems to get it right either outside spying prototype vehicles, so we'll see indeed. I'm not a public official nor do I try to be, for my own reasons related to my profession. Automotive Press has shown many times he doesn't know what he's talking about in the present and Kirk Kriefels just the same, but is more on cue than Automotive Press at least.

You speculated once that I was somehow Automotive Press and I found that odd, because he's notorious for bungling a great deal of info and being behind the curve. Neither of the two made mention of Hybrid Max as a powertrain, until I commented on that very recently. I find that very interesting...

David at AP has great expertise as a fellow engineer in the automotive industry and as a Japanese engineer with roots in both countries, but has made the cardinal mistake of being a public official via becoming part of the automotive media and not staying behind the scenes like the rest of us. No one is going to come to him with advance information, if they know he will leak it through his channel. Ditto for TFL, who even paid the price when a lone wolf leaked to them information on our U725 in 2020. I know who is generally informed on future product and who isn't, especially those YouTube vloggers. Those folks are not it, but some others are and deserve more acclaim. I fight with too many of them, on their misinformation.

I do not associate my professional identity with Carmaker1, for very smart reasons and gain the trust of others, on learning new information. But as it stands, David has shown himself to be a follower and not a leader in terms of disclosing NEW information on Toyota TNGA-F product plans, independent of anyone out there online. Nothing he posted the past few years, has been necessarily exclusive content, yet many people eat it up without skepticism and come here with such "findings".

He got the 4Runner wrong, that when he was warned for 1 year about it, he ignored the warnings and kept repeating the same BS for MY 2023. Ditto for the "2023 Tacoma", that I knew was a 2024 model. Well, I was right and David tried to save face with some BS explanation, on "some delay" earlier this year. After he barely corrected course, I discovered the 4Runner was now 2025. He only in recent months, began to listen. TFL made the same mistake on a grander scale, influencing 10x as many into expecting the wrong thing once again.

I have left other people to their own devices in trusting TFL and AP. Just because I am not more public or even DJ for that matter (plus a few others), doesn't necessarily discredit any of us. We're just more lowkey about things, than these vloggers who alienate professionals from sharing insider information with them due to their very public personas in the automotive media.

There are casually observant forum members, who know a hell of lot more than TFL does and sometimes, even David at AP. I respect him for doing a fine job, explaining how Toyota does and HAS done product planning in the past, as well as engineering processes. That's something unique about his channel, but he needs to do a better job of leaning into contacts better and come out with real info early enough, not at the tail end when he can crib it off of another online source.

 

Both Kirk and AP are former Toyota employees.

you have earned credibility from me because of your earlier spot on posts.

4 engine options doesn’t sound right to me though.

maybe, the publics’ reaction to the complete dump of the Tundra V8 has scared Toyota? They don’t want to repeat the same with their more important vehicle.

 

Jeep at one point offered 6 Engines in the Wranger that sells a bit less than Tacoma. If Jeep can do 6 I sure Toyota could manage 4, especially since they all exist right now.

 

Yes, Kirk I believe worked for a Lexus dealership IIRC and David for Toyota directly. I think if David hadn't gone the YouTube route (or stayed incognito at least in disguised audio), he'd had have best line of contact into Toyota development processes than anyone in his shoes. I feel he's been frozen out on purpose and provided so much fluff by his Toyota contacts, on purpose. He should've been the source out there on the Japan side of things, but sadly he's nowhere near it like I had hoped many times back in 2020. To finally find a fluent English speaker between both countries and former Toyota employee, with great knowledge about their product planning (better than me), yet you have limited to no intel on their future developments? It's like meeting your favorite celebrity and being extremely let down. Kirk can get a bit off base, but he knows when to rein it in. David sadly, is just more clever at hiding his stubborn mistakes and will never admit to being wrong. He'll instead cleverly dance out of it, but more importantly hasn't learned to take advantage of his vast resources or has maybe ultimately squandered any chance of being trusted by Toyota insiders, currently employed by them.

He's way too smart and experienced, to be not be 1000x ahead of me on that front. Or maybe is saving his own ass, by playing obtuse on some stuff. Better to not be so transparent, if Toyota can come after you and squash you like a bug.

Anyway, I must state, I expected only Dynamic Force engines on the 920B Tacoma. Not none of this old engine stuff. What you've said, makes sense, but when it was decided is a bigger question? Perhaps last year? This new development regarding retention of 2TR-FE from 2004, in STILL being under the hood, is disappointing and odd. Even more odd and somewhat concrete, is other insiders or "adjacents" have echoed the same thing to be true. They didn't cosign my previous mentions T24A non-THS, but once I mentioned 2TR I got some insider replies. The GR V6 being retained as a midrange offering is just as peculiar, as that is not a Dynamic Force engine either, which dates back to 2015, based on the original 2GR-FE and FSE launched in RWD ToyotaLexus cars and 2005 Avalon 18 years ago. It doesn't make sense to me, but I am literally just being the messenger here. I speculate more on Lexus models, but when it comes to Toyota, I watch my ass on what I say, as the Toyota audience can be very different than Lexus owners in terms of tolerating certain commentary of mine. If I have nothing tangible to report, I better vanish until I actually do.

 

Toyota is experimental with Tundra, as is BMW with their 7-Series flagship unlike the case with the 3-Series which is often approached conservatively. Toyota isn't taking chances with the Tacoma I guess. Appeal to fleets and frugal types with the 2TR, appeal to spendier luddites and traditionalists with V6, while using the two other engines to improve MPG and emissions for the nameplate and brand through volume.

 

LMAO! Forgot that I did just that when I still had my 2007 and the 3rd gen came out. Good one, dude.

 

Lol no. We have been informed by insiders that are always right and that is not what they say. Maybe search?
Oops. Sarcasm.

 

The best and brightest aren’t working dodge-Chrysler. Whereas they are working at Toyota and other manufacturers.

Chrysler has made a lot questionable decisions.

 

I doubt it, probably more of a mix of this and the current tundra.

 

Isn’t Toyota head truck guy an ex Chrysler guy?

 

Curious what your thoughts are in regards to Toyota’s time frame to reduce emissions with tighter CAFE regulations and the 4 engines they are proposing for the 4th gen Tacoma.

 

All I’m asking for is a powerful-durable easy to service power-plant

 

Looks like a mini Tundra front end to me.