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Slow clutch engagement when cold

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Jesse H, Dec 23, 2022.

  1. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:01 PM
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    Jesse H

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    I usually park in the garage but last night the truck was out in the driveway and it was 18F when I hopped in it this morning. Until things warmed up I noticed the clutch pedal was slow to return back to the engaged position after it was pressed down.

    Is this normal? Thanks!
     
  2. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:02 PM
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    Yup, and the best part? It never really warms up until the weather does. Lucky you're in texas haha.
     
  3. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:03 PM
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    Yep, it gets almost undrivable unless you let the truck warm up, when it gets below -10f.
     
  4. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:10 PM
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    Yep normal, you should see how it functions in -40
     
  5. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:14 PM
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    Normal for all hydraulic opperated clutches.
     
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  6. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:16 PM
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    My old 4runner I used to power shift everything but 1st. Giver
     
  7. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:16 PM
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    The Cayman doesn't do this, nor did my old Miata. Go figure.
     
  8. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:20 PM
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    My 1984 Audi quattro did as well as my Quantum syncro Wagon.
     
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  9. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:20 PM
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    Normal.

    I'm trying low viscosity brake fluid right now. It was -4f here today and the clutch did distinctly get stiffer but not terribly so.
     
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    Can you share which you used?

    I tried DOT4 from my E46 back in the day and it was hard to tell if it worked.
     
  11. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:22 PM
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    Remember that automotive brake fluid is hygroscopic and absorbs moisture out of the air naturally.
     
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    Normal. Fluid gets thicker as it gets cold and the pedal gets slow.

    My accord takes more than a second for the pedal to return at -40 air temp. o_O
     
  13. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:34 PM
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    pump the pedal couple dozen times before you get ready to put in gear.

    Your clutch master cylinder is just a manual fluid pump, movement of fluid creates heat.

    Brake fluid has water in it, it will crystalize when it's cold.
     
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    Sweet cars btw!
     
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    It's been -12°C the last couple days here. The clutch is very slow to operate until there is some heat in the system. Last year it got so cold, the pedal took a couple seconds for the pedal to return....
     
  16. Dec 23, 2022 at 3:55 PM
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    Dot-4+/Super Dot-4 is different from just Dot-4 if I understand correctly.

    Those meeting iso 4925 class 6 are required to have about half the cold (-40c) viscosity as dot-3 while still being very similar hot (100c)
     
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  20. Dec 24, 2022 at 7:05 AM
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    Not true in my experience. My 2020 taco was the first that did this. Not to the same degree anyway. Yes all clutches get a little stiff, but my taco clutch takes about 1s to return to the up position when it gets to 0F or thereabouts and it doesn’t get much better after quite a bit of driving.

    I’ve had the thought that the accumulator delete mod might improve things, but I’ve heard it does not.
     
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