Tacoma Vs. Rivian

Yes.

That is what was said all along

 

Not here

 

It literally says sale.

Yes, he didn't explicitly articulate NEW sales but that was pretty obvious.

Relax, the right-wing nut jobs are the worst but this was not one of those situations.

 

Well thats the point, NEW wasn't stated and some think it means ALL. Someone said in 2035 they will take all gas cars away. That's why I clarify. It's been done here a lot on this thread thus why i made the clarification...again.

 

Don't see every single comment as a threat, if you do then you look as much of a nut job as them.

I'm all for EVs and absolutely despise the social media fuel right side nutso arguments.
But fanatics are on BOTH sides of that discussion and ALL of them prevent progress.

 

I've been on this thread since it was started. I have a pretty good recall memory. So that makes me a nut job wanting to have facts spewed rather than guessing and misinformation. But that's just me I guess. and i understand your points also.

 

NJ is trying to ban gas yard equipment now. Both new and existing.

 

No one said that.

 

Yes you are a nut. I’m happy you finally realize it.

 

So how are we at capacity seemingly every summer across multiple states. And lately in winters also… and that’s with emergency fossil fuel plants running at full tilt also

Having an ev effectively doubles my residential consumption. Not sure how that’s just “absorbed” through an existing power plant network unless you do random rationing and rotations etc

 

Probably the biggest difference is Toyota will still be around 5 years from now.




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+1

Excellent point. Toyota though they move slow and don't like to fix something that isn't broken, they won't jump into new tech just to 'catch up' I'd rather wait for them to get it right engineering wise than throw out a product. I'm surprised they brought out the bZ4x thingy. Notice they took the leap with Subaru to me say's they are testing the waters. But when they do jump, they will have a great EV product.

 

I doubt Rivian will go under. They make a quality product that no one else provides right now. If they keep up the progress on ramping up production they should be fine.

 

Because we always are. Or we always hit peak DEMAND, not capacity.

It's an open market, producers sell their wares and consumers buy. The producers are not going to be building more than is needed, that would be unneeded expense.

The alternative to that would be to socialize energy production and have the government build the plants. Then tax payers can pay to ensure we always have more than is needed.

EVs don't "double" power consumption. If every single mile driven was done in an EV we would need about 50% more energy than is produced today (in capacity, not demand). That's with EVERY mile, something that is 30-50 years off. And that 50% number considered worse case energy loss through the grid and is also significantly rounded up.
But that is 50% more than is PRODUCED today. Except all power plants don't run at full capacity all the time. In fact the difference between peak load and off peak is just over 40%.

There are a lot more issues with energy production that just the amount made so don't assume that because there are issues it's only because there are not enough plants.

 

I Said it doubled MY consumption. I go through about 6mw annually at 3 miles per kw and 15k
Miles I am at about 11-2mw. I can’t be that different from the average consumer ….
You’re going to tell me that converting 300M cars to run on electricity will be absorbed by the grid ?

Average car is driven 12k miles per year and there are 300m cars in the US… so at 3miles per kw …. Do we really have a spare capacity to
Power that long term ?
Granted not all cars will turn into Evs overnight ….

that’s an extra 1.2 billion megawatts by my math … or 1,200 extra terrawatts

 

Firn-

You make the point that we are t the limit of Demand not capacity. The problem I see is that a significant portion of that capacity is fossil fuel. For example here in Taxachusetts, over 70% f our electricity comes from fossil fuel.

If other states are similarly reliant on fossil fuel, and the greens kill fossil fuel power generation, capacity will drop substantially; other sources may or may not come online in time to meet that demand. If not, capacity will not exceed demand.

 

And then you said that you do to see how "that" is absorbed through the grid.

Since your point is specific to just you one needs to look at the whole, no AN individual.

But what is your point here. You and only you? I identified how it effects the country, do you disagree, or am I to discuss your personal situation.

For what it's worth I go through about 26MW a year, and although my wife and I both drive more than that it's still only a portion of our usage.
Nor does it matter. If I can run the dryer for three loads between 5 and 9 pm then I certainly can pull the same amount of electricity down from 3am to 6am. Are you fearful that you can't do laundry in the evening? No, then you sure as heck can charge an EV anywhere outside that period (highest peak usage is 5-10.

 

https://www.publicpower.org/resource/americas-electricity-generating-capacity

Looks like we don’t have anywhere near that

 

Highest usage now is irrelevant because we have no where near 100% ev adoption. The energy usage pattern will massively change once the Evs hit the grid

 

About 60% nationally is fossil fuel. Regardless, running a fossil fuel plant to make electricity for an EV is still a LOT more efficient than using gasoline in a car. That is only getting better, the average for the grid is about 40% efficiency (peak in a car is low 30s BEFORE you consider refining), modern plants are pushing efficiencies into the high 60s.

Beyond that there alternative energy sources and frankly EVs and solar go really really well together, if we can get charging at places of work. Solar has it's downsides, certainly, but if we can time consumption with production then that will work great. A balanced grid is our best bet but we can try and make these work together. Heck, charging EVs during the day sure seems better than making HIGE grid batteries to shift solar production into the evening.

There is a lot of rhetoric around both sides, don't believe the media that "they" want to kill all fossil fuels, they have their loudmouth idiots just like the other side. Do you want the left to believe that you are the same as the far far right nutjobs? Then don't fall into the trap of thinking anything left is the same as the far far left nutjobs. (as an aside that is political posturing and is mostly the right rhetoric using a strawman)