4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

Toyota engineers are the best in the world. Perfect, nope. Better than most car Mfgs. yep. Any other automaker I'd be skeptical about. Not from Toyota though.

 

I know I'll be buying in reverse years from now on if I replace or add to my Tacoma fleet.

 

The 2.4 t in Highlander is rated at 265 hp @ 6K but more importantly 310 lb/ft torque @ 1.7K. If this is carried over to new Tacoma there will be ample torque available in the operating rpm sweet spot for effortless towing and ascending hills. Current 3.5 atkinson engine is rather anemic under similar conditions.

 

I’d be shocked if they continue the manual transmission when they move to the turbo four cylinder.

 

The info in the earlier thread was a carryover V6 / 6MT for a year or two on mid-level trims, but not on the top models.

As I said before I’d love a turbo / MT combo. I miss boosty noises.

 

The video maybe five yro, but turbocharging has been around for nearly as long as the internal combustion engine, and successfully installed in one in 1925. It was used on in aircraft engines, ships, and trucks for decades before making it to the automobiles, and yet the issues are still there.

These are marvelous things, but like all wonderful technology, they are maintenance intensive, and it takes the $$ upfront first and much more thereafter. That’s fine for commercial vehicles because the revenue justifies the expense, but for the working man/woman, not so much.

I’ve loaded another video going back five months, different author, same conclusion. Not that it matters any to the group here who have a vested interest.

Never the less, to the buyer, beware to pony up.

Turbo owner review:


@daysailor7

"Thank you for your candid video. It's nice to see some serious journalism again. I purchased an Audi A4 with a 2.0 turbo engine. It was the most disappointing car I've ever owned. I noticed right away that the oil level went down steadily between changes. I checked out my Audi owner's manual and found "in print" that it was normal for the 2.0 turbo to use oil. In fact, my A4 had a special light on the dash that lit up when it was time to add a quart. That's when I began to swap information with other Audi owners. Yep, all of us had the same oil consumption and black oily tailpipes. Not exactly environmentally responsible. But the biggest issue was with the turbo itself. At about 35K miles, engine performance began to lag. Balky performance and poor milage led to several trips to the dealer. Modules were replaced, tuning done, and so on. At just over 50K miles, the turbo actually DIED. The dealer told me that it wasn't that unusal. Almost $4,000 later, I had a new turbo. Traded my A4 for a Toyota Avalon V6 the next week--problem solved. VW and Audi have been making this 2.0 turbo for decades. You'd think that, by now, they would have the engine and turbo design sorted out. Needless to say, I'll never own another Audi or VW product"

Change this to "Needless to say, I'll never own another TOYOTA or LEXUS product" in a few years lol!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkcCU2_iPI0

 

Hi guys, first time poster here(long time lurker). I’m very interested to see what changes Toyota has in store for the new 4th Gen. It seems like almost a certainty that some version/versions of the 2.4 will make its way into the new generation Tacoma. Here is the best video I’ve watched about this new engine. It’s cool to get a Toyota mechanics perspective on how the engine is designed and potential reliability issues. I’ll be very interested to see how they modify it for truck duty. This guy does a great job with his videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVsyJE5nSz4

 

i loved the 1996 300zx twin turbo I owned about 8 years ago, except the part about something always being broken. But that was just because it was really old. I’m sure Toyota will do a great job with the turbo 4 cylinder and it’ll be great, but I can’t see them keeping the manual transmission around. It would take too much engineering time and money for only a few people like me who still enjoy the driver engagement of shifting your own gears. It just doesn’t make any sense from a business standpoint in the current market.

 

I understand turbos are old tech. Yes they were used in air craft, for a long time. That was for performance boost but just exactly that a performance boost not replacement. The biggest engines possible were built and then boosted. Now we are using the smallest engines possible and stuffing them as full as we can to replace a normally aspirated engine of larger displacement, which runs under less stress with the same performance. I'll keep my turbos and super chargers for just that a performance boost and not a performance replacement. I guess I'll quit beating on this dead horse now.

 

Lethargic truck making it to 250k miles or a peppy one making it to 175k miles? I'll take the latter.

I'm shocked Toyota snoozed on turbos after the legendary 1JZ and 2JZ-GTE or even the 3S-GTE. I'm guessing Toyota got burned on their performance investment after spending almost a billion dollars developing their new v8 powerplant (the 1UZ-FE) just to have the clean air act of 1990 crush that powerplants future. We'd probably have a massive used market of v8 Camrys and Tacomas if it weren't for the EPA fleet restrictions.

 

Video on how the possible new turbo 4cyl will work if put in the Tacoma. Interesting how the turbo stops spooling at low speeds. Increases turbo longevity. Switch to turbo more for emissions purposes.

https://youtu.be/DqJJ5juYwGg?t=514

 

I'll take the former cause I'm already at 253k, so I guess I'm on borrowed time.

 

Not to ask a stupid question, but how do we know that is a 'Yota?

 

I guess you won’t be getting a Tacoma. There’s no way towing will increase to 7500.

 

So you are saying that with the new frame etc, they cannot get the towing numbers to match the Ford Ranger....

I already have a Tacoma...

If the next gen is not more capable, there won't be much of a reason for me to buy a next Gen truck. I knew the next gen truck was coming up in 2024 or 25 when I decided to trade out the 2016 Taco for the 2020. I figured 7-10 years in the 2020 will give time for the kinks to either be ironed out on the 4th gen, or to discover its a dud.

If the kinks are ironed out, and the capability increases, I'll probably get a 4th gen. If the capability doesn't increase and/or its a dud...I'll just look for a low mileage 3rd gen and stick with that.

I took the same philosophy with the 3rd Gen Tundra. Waited to see what they did and so far, its looking like its kind of a dud, so when its time for another full size, I'll look for a low mileage Gen 2.5

 

Following this logic wouldn't the current 4 be less reliable than the current 6? The 4 is smaller and working harder all the time compared to the 6.

 

No way to tell for sure but judging by everything we know and the wheels I’m assuming it’s a Yota.

 

Why does "working harder" equate to reduced reliability? If any given engine is properly designed to a specific level of workload, regardless of whether that is 50 hp per liter of displacement, or 500 hp per liter of displacement, the reliability should be the same.

 

It doesn't. Trying to point out the flaw in that "logic".