4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

No doubt TOYOTA is going turbo and hybrid. Hybrid with a N/A ICE has worked well and they serve the TOYOTA customer base that’s looking for fuel savings (like Prius owners) combined with an affordable, reliable and durable product, like Tacoma.

However, a turbo maybe a different animal, as It requires more care and maintenance, something TOYOTA costumers may not be accustomed to.
And turbos are more the purview of luxury vehicle owners, people with deeper pockets, such as auto enthusiast or tech lovers, as opposed the traditional TOYOTA owner looking for a vehicle they can own with minimal maintenance issues for many years.

And here I though that’s what Lexus was for.

 

Where I work we have a fleet of 10 F150s split evenly between 2.7L EB and 3.5L EB. The 3.5L have been junk. Endless repairs and warranty and limp-mode BS. The 2.7L EBs have been rock solid. All trucks are loaded up with tools and canopy and whatnot. None of these truck are used for towing.

If I had to buy an F150 it would be the 2.7L. An amazing amount of trouble-free power outta that little engine.

 

No matter what we want, manufactures have to follow ever stricter CAFE emissions standards. This is driving the Bus. Number one consideration. This not only applies to Toyota but every other manufacture in North America. Get used to smaller displacement engines with turbos. Eventually more hybrids then eventually more PEV.

 

This quote should be the headline for this entire thread. Manufacturers are moving to turbos, hybrids, and electric power trains because it is the public policy of the United States and European Union that they do so. I guess this is what voters want.

 

If I was forced to buy a turbo, It be a Ford as they’re a dime a dozen and almost any shop is familiar and has experience with them.
But I do like the looks of the Ram 1500 and is more reliable than the '23 Tundy lol!

Judging by the crowd that's advocating for those type vehicles here, you're probably on target

 

That’s interesting

my bil has a 2013 Ford Flex with the 3.5 eco boost and has never had any problems yet and he is at 130k+ miles on it. I do know that he always runs at least mid grade gas in it so maybe that helps him

 

I'm going to play the devil's advocate here and argue that Toyota has been prodcuing bombproof turbo diesels for the last 30 years. Turbo'ing a vehicle can be done in an affordable & resilient manner, just like we see in the 1KD & 1KZ motors, and I'd put my money on Toyota being able to put together an equally reliable turbo-petrol motor.

Yes, the new Tundra motor has some issues. That said, I'm willing to bet those issues get ironed out pretty quickly. We need to remember the V35-FTS motor was pushed into it's 1st production runs during the pandemic and some of the issues we're seeing might be more related to shoddy pandemic QA/QC. I'm willing to bet the problems with the new Tundras aren't issues resulting from shitty design work on behalf of Toyota.

 

Since turbos have been successfully installed on engines ever since 1925, and installed commercially on everything under the sun including locomotives, I’m not arguing if it’s reliable or not, because if it’s not, it may never be.

But what I will argue is, why do we need it? And the extra cost upfront of the initial purchase price, additional sales tax, insurance increase, additional repair and maintenance and expected hit on a trade or re-sale?

Will you ever get any money back in fuel savings?

On a 7-10yr turbo vehicle, it might just not be worth it to throw the extra cost of (turbo) R&R when you have all the other normal maintenance money you expect or need to spend $$ on.

The turbo(’s) cost is in addition to that

On a regular N/A powertrain, your vehicle is still going to be of more value because a prospecting buyer is expecting to spend on the usual suspect repairs, but the turbo may put the re-sale price out of reach for the used market and the seller may have to market it down.

 

What do you reckon a guy like him makes per year?

 

Prob 200-300k

 

For that amount of responsibility, I would think at LEAST 200.

 

Scroll down to about the middle of this link.

https://contactout.com/Mike-Sweers-3601416

 

You're better than the FBI! lol!

 

It’s also car industry and engineering… not the highest paid profession

 

+a predetermined option to x number of shares of Toyota stock

 

You forget... All manufacturers go for profit period amen. Do not think smaller engines and turbos are driven by compliance to regulations. What will the customer buy is the driving force. If there is enough margin, Fuck the regulations.

 

I don't see even the slightest chance of them putting a v6 in it again but thats just me. I'd bet anything it's a 4-cyl turbo.

 

Its been said that the current 3.5 V6 may possibly carry over for a couple years on the lower trim levels.

 

I don’t know how much change there is between ford SUVs and trucks. Maybe we got a string of lemons with the 3.5L EB, but they’ve all been through the wringer. One of our F150s with the 3.5L needed an engine swap 2 months into having it. All have been towed to the dealer.

Ford makes reasonable vehicles, but they are not without their issues.

In my perception, Ford pushes economy, power, technology, and innovation far, far further towards their limit than Toyota. The boosted engines, weight-saving aluminum bodywork, 10-speed tranny, and all the nice creature comforts on a Ford make Toyota trucks look very basic, gutless, and inefficient in comparison, however it comes with a cost in terms of reliability and recalls for Ford.

I know the 3G Taco has its detractors, but all in all it is a way more reliable, simple, and antiquated truck than a new F150. Toyota even de-tuned the damn 3.5L in the Taco to make sure we don’t have too much power!! Meanwhile Ford is squeezing every fraction of a HP out of their 2.7L to make it roar and push around a full size like it’s nothing.

Totally different philosophies.

 

I do know from talking to the mechanic at our local Ford dealer that the newest Expeditions 3.5 eco boost was quite problematic