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Discussion in 'Garage / Workshop' started by Hotdog, Jul 28, 2008.

  1. Jan 28, 2023 at 6:45 PM
    daveeasa

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    double oven nuts (minus electrical tape, one roll per connection). Was this ever code???

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    mouse island is gone. I have the countertop. Tile with a layer of quartz. And a hole which was for the cooktop but could maybe hold a sink. If I ever get a shop. Took 4 of us to. Schlep it outside. 600+ lbs, maybe 1000?

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    here’s what it looked like before. Happy the cabinets are gone. Cool dude took em for his basement.
     
  2. Jan 28, 2023 at 7:01 PM
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    Not sure about those ever being required by code but the split bolts seem a bit overkill for that. I use them occasionally for much larger gauge wires and yeah, lots of splice tape & then electrical tape over that.
     
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    Who do yall use for higher quality exterior French doors? Andersen? we have a house that needs 3 sets replaced. also if you've ever worked on waterproofing or water solutions of any kind on these styles of 2nd story porches (both the front one and left side one in this pic) id love to pick your brain. they cut into the roof and seem to always be moisture problem areas. our problem doors also lead out onto porches like this and id like to know of viable solutions to flashing/waterproofing. any information would be helpful.20220927205007894772000000-o.jpg
     
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    Is it because of the transition from aluminum to copper?
     
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    get outswing doors for starters
     
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    Toyko Joe

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    What do you think was not to code? I am assuming that the junction box had a cover and the connections were contained within. There is a reason they call it electrical tape…
     
  7. Jan 28, 2023 at 8:35 PM
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    The aluminum to copper makes sense now. I didn’t look closely at the wire, was too busy ripping stuff out.

    Still seems like an insulated cover would be preferable to tape. Didn’t realize tape inside a box was allowed.
     
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  8. Jan 28, 2023 at 8:40 PM
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    At least you didn't find duct tape in yours like I did
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    But I agree, it seems odd to use vinyl electric tape by itself for permanent installation. I always thought it was for securing rubber electric tape.
     
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  9. Jan 29, 2023 at 6:19 AM
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    I wish I could go to that auction, lots of cool stuff.
     
  10. Jan 29, 2023 at 6:47 AM
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    I found a Lowes Hardware ad from the early 80's in my wall. 250' or Romex for $20 must've been nice. Also in there was a newspaper that the main article was about using those new microwave ovens to cook your underwear and kill bacteria...
     
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    Most electric motors are wired this way. Just split bolts wrapped in splice tape then gobs of electrical tape, all inside a metal box. Seemed sketchy the first time I did one but its what the bossman wanted. Its also how I learned that the Fastenal brand electrical tape is pure garbage. That 480V arc to the motor casing caught my attention haha.
     
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    So if I redo the same way, which tape is best for this? I tossed the old stuff, didn't seem like I ought to re-use it.

    I might swap the cable to copper (even at today's prices) since the run is pretty short and we have to re-locate it anyway but once the soffit is demo'd I'll be able to see how hard/easy it will be to re-route (oven moves closer to the panel)

    I _might_ be able to stretch the cooktop cable to the new oven location (that one is copper) but not sure on gauge, I think the cooktop was 30amp and the oven might have been 40 or 50?
     
  13. Jan 29, 2023 at 7:10 AM
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    I would opt for some of these in the appropriate size.
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    But to answer your question 3M #23 splicing tape then covered with 3M Super 33 electrical tape is how I did split bolt connections.
     
  14. Jan 29, 2023 at 7:21 AM
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    I have used split bolts on hundreds of motors without failure.

    Buy 3M brand tape, use two layers, rubber first then vinyl over the top. Any electrical supply house will have them in stock.

    https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/electrical-construction-maintenance-us/products/electrical-tapes/
     
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    if you re-run it, get a 4-wire romex instead of the 3-wire. slightly safer to isolate the ground from the neutral back to the panel. i know they tie together in the panel, but the ground is always the emergency/failsafe path, best not to abuse it!

    and i've always just used the appropriate wire nut sizing. most use a red, sometimes a large blue wire nut. split bolts while not technically illegal, just seems hacky to me. though officially, the lack of a dieelectric grease like NoLox on a copper/aluminum splice is not code compliant.
     
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    I was going to mention the return on the ground wire.
     
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    The cooktop was done more recent than the oven and used copper wire with 3 conductors plus ground. We are switching to a gas range so if I can re-use the cooktop for the oven it’d be great. I should check gauge and breakers though. Can’t remember what was what.
     
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    I create time capsules when I do the drywall. Newspapers are hard to come by nowadays so I'll throw in what ever big box store junk mail ads I have around. Someday a guy is going to be "I can't believe eggs were only $5.00 a dozen."
     
  20. Jan 29, 2023 at 9:45 AM
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    I answered 100's of service calls where a wire nut ended up being the problem, never one for a split bolt.
     

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