Manual transmission Fan Club and BS thread (All Generations Welcome)

I was thinking that, but it might be a bit thick? You'd only need something about half as thick as a floor mat since it is half way up the pedal.

Maybe layer up tape until it works as you like it?

 

I don't know?

I'd love, LOVE!!, to eliminate it and have a live clutch. Our long gone Saab and my Ural was setup that way from the factory. I made it so on my other bike. Sooooo nice.

 

I do stickers typically on the left side to not block visibility. But, that doesn't really matter with the Taco.

 

I suspect disconnecting the button itself and doing a relay off ignition to effectively press it every time would work?

 

Interesting. It would be nice to get back to that. Just hop in and turn the key.

 

if you want to get rid of the clutch start requirement, I’m pretty sure you could just unplug the switch and jump the wires. I like it for safety though, keeps people like service technicians or inspection techs who don’t drive them much from flying into a wall because they didn’t press the clutch.

As for the furniture pads, I actually just went and picked some up. Works perfectly and doesn't stress out the plastic pad that operates the switch. Something thinner might be better but this is fine. The pad is soft enough to not be harsh.

 

A while back, I brought it up and and someone noted that there is some circuitry in the switch. I think the thought was that it isn't just a open / closed type of circuit. Just unplugging or jumping it would be an exciting solution.


I generally warn everyone that used my stuff that it was live. Although, there were very few that ever had the opportunity. The Saab even had an uncommon short shifter in it that defeated the reverse feature. Saabs were weird about that, where you had to put it in reverse to start or stop it. I do miss the ignition switch in the console though. That was a neat feature.

 

Hmmm…I’m not sure what else it could be. All that switch does as a button is connect the two terminals together or disconnect them if they are normally connected/closed. I don’t see how jumping or unplugging could possibly not make it a 100% permanent no-clutch start.

I can see some weirdness happening if you mess with the switch. The switches usually use a circuitry that triggers a memory in the computer which stays live until ignition is cutoff again. That process makes the switch tricky and not ideal to mess with.

also, I went out and did some learnin’. I took out my floor mat, put shifter in neutral, and put my thumb on the switch. Turned the key without pressing the switch, held the key and slowly pressed the switch in until it cranked. It took very little travel on the switch to get the truck to crank.

this tells me that with the floor mat, the pedal is barely touching the switch to begin with unless you push the pedal really hard (hence why you have to press hard to get it to start). This should mean that there is more than enough slack for a furniture pad to naturally push in the switch more without stressing the pedal, switch, or the bracket.

 

Ah, yeah, the switch probably needs to be connected. I could maybe do a T harness and use a relay driven by ignition to auto “press” it. Then disconnecting the T would bypass.

or another latching switch to enable / disable the auto mode by enabling the relay.

 

@daveeasa @tonered also, just to clarify, when I say “ jumping the switch”, I mean the start switch on the pedal. Not the clutch start cancel dash switch.

 

Ah, makes sense and yeah should work. Just wouldn’t light up on the switch that way.

 

Nah, it wouldn’t. Which is how I would want it if I were permanently doing a bypass. That way I don’t see the light all the time.

If you’re wanting to selectively disable or enable the start cancel circuit at will, that would be a lot trickier. Though as I understand it, right now you’re talking about an 05 that requires the pedal be down to start, and you have no cancel button at all, correct?

 

Turning ignition off resets.
A latching custom switch for auto would be cool but burns a spot.

 

I wish Toyota did it like nissan. The Nissan clutch start cancel light goes out once you press the clutch for the first time. Nice to not have to see that light on the dash once the deed is done and the truck is running.

 

Not to sound like an idiot, but my taco is my first vehicle with a clutch cancel button. What the hell is it good for? I guess I'm a little old school. Just for curiosity I tried it out the other day to warm up the truck without getting in to start it. Then when I went to take off, the switch was still illuminated and wouldn't turn off. Had to shut the truck off and re-start it to get the switch light to go out. What am I missing?

 

I believe you.

My whole point is, on a DD Tacoma I’ve never felt unsafe, lack of power, or whatever else makes driving more difficult/dangerous/less fun. I used to be a pretty aggressive driver and never once even for a second thought that regear will benefit me in any shape or form.

I enjoy driving this truck so much, I don’t even know how to explain it. I’m 100% honest. I can drive it for 6 hours and still love every second of it. I look for every freaking excuse just to go drive it.

I do understand you come from a pretty quick truck, so I’m guessing you are used to a different “more aggressive” feel of the vehicle. If that makes any sense. Normal driving, like I can’t even imagine shifting at 3k+ RPMs. When passing someone or whatever sure, I love to let her it sing sometimes.

I came from 2007 ranger 4.0 with 207 hp. Top end on that truck sucked, decent torque down low. At times I definitely wished I had more power in some situations. Tacoma felt like a freaking rocket ship on a test drive.

 

Ah! I thought you were talking about the CSC button.


Good stuff on the pad.

 

You’re not missing anything, that’s how it works. It temporarily disables the requirement that you press in the clutch to start, for one start cycle. The annoying part is they didn’t build anything to turn off the light once you’ve started up, so it remains on the length of the drive.

The clutch start requirement is a safety thing so newbs don’t go flying into a wall when they crank the truck and forget to hit the clutch pedal. So they give you the requirement for safety, then they give you a temporary bypass. The bypass is for use offroad or in the situation like you did where you started the truck standing outside of it.

 

CSC can be used for three things:

-- Just to start the Taco in neutral without hitting the clutch. Great for a significant other who might be in the passenger seat and you leave the Taco setup for them with instructions.

-- Start the Taco in gear. This could be when you are wheeling and on a precarious spot where any roll back could be dangerous.

-- When you can't start the engine and need to get out of traffic. Here 2nd or 3rd gear might be needed. The Taco will move along just on the starter.


Most European vehicles work without a safety switch. So, the first feature is what I like best.

 

Nice!